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Post by likeclockwork »

ufmace wrote: post #224
cmyr wrote: post #201

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I'm curious about how you think about your feelings here. What do you think makes these things seem 'awesome', to you? When I was a kid, I definitely thought that guns were 'cool', in some sense. I thought about them, I read about them, and I desired access to them. As I grew up and came to understand that (in the general case, and certainly for hand guns and the stuff mentioned above) guns are tools designed to end…

Think about the "designed to end human lives" a little more. What's really designed to end lives is a gallows, an electric chair, gas chamber, etc. Guns are designed for combat, not just killing. And not just any combat. The strong and numerous attackers don't really need better tools for hurting the small, lone, and weak; they can do that just fine already. Guns are for the weak to defend themselves against the stro…

Insurgents repelling democracy-spreading invaders.

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Post by appleflaxen »

madengr wrote: post #210
adamsea wrote: post #184

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Why compare sex and firearms? Sex: - Fundamental to life - Something every human is capable of, and that (except for Slashdot users ;), most experience in their life. - If consensual, a source of pleasure and love. Firearms: - A tool which can be used for a varierty of purposes - Must be purchased, i.e. it is a choice. - I suppose one could compare firearms training/use to martial arts, in that it can have personal b…

You forgot about the STDs. "And no firearms (unless carried by an officer) in schools, on campuses, or in places of worship." Why? It's legal in my state (KS) and there have been no shootings.

January 21, 1985

Goddard, Kansas

Armed with a rifle and a handgun, 14-year-old James Alan Kearbey, killed principal, James McGee, and wounded two teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.

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Post by sergiotapia »

gkya wrote: post #289
15155 wrote: post #272

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> But there is no way to teach a kid tonot to die from a random bullet. How is basic/safe operation, safe handling procedures (call an adult!) not effective teaching?

I've known many casesof guns accidentally firing when being cleaned and causing deaths. Usually a child or a spouse.

You hear accidents happening to people with thousands of hours handling weapons. No mistakes on their part, just the gun going off. I can't risk the biscuit.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mi100hael wrote: post #137
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #94

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Its typically called a suppressor. And it doesn't make the gun silent at all. But at least it won't blow out your hearing. Still, even equipped, I wouldn't try it in my living room.

Eh, "suppressor" is a term that became popular in reaction to the fact that anti-gunners took "silencer" too literally, but "silencer" is the more common and older term.

Ah! I was wrong; you are right. It was called a 'silencer' by its inventor. (He also called his car mufflers 'silencers'):

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/jeremy-s/guns-for-b...

Its worth noting though: back then cars were called 'horseless carriages'. Which is pretty much an obsolete term. So maybe we can let 'silencer' die too.

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Post by wyager »

gkya wrote: post #289
15155 wrote: post #272

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> But there is no way to teach a kid tonot to die from a random bullet. How is basic/safe operation, safe handling procedures (call an adult!) not effective teaching?

I've known many casesof guns accidentally firing when being cleaned and causing deaths. Usually a child or a spouse.

Modern factory firearms quite simply do not go off accidentally. With extremely rare ecxeptions, "cleaning accidents" are either failed suicide attempts or extremely negligent mishandling.

Look up the four main rules of firearm safety. Adherence to these rules will all but eliminate the risk of a dangerous malfunction (extremely rare) or fumble (less rare) during firearm operation and cleaning.

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Post by wyager »

Zenst wrote: post #181
seibelj wrote: post #51

Anyone who is diehard anti-gun for personal use, I recommend taking a pistol class from a reputable organization, and keep an open mind. No one is telling you to get a license or buy a gun, just go take a class. They will teach you all about safety, how to shoot, gun cleaning and maintenance, and all of the basic skills needed to properly own a gun. Then if you are still diehard anti-gun, great! But if you have no ex…

Should be a prerequisite to owning a gun, after all we allow people to drive a car only after they have passed a test, why not also with guns.

Funny enough, you've accidentally made the moderate pro-gun argument.

We only allow people to drive a car on public land after they get a license.

They can own a car and use it on private land as much as they want without a license.

That's how most gun owners agree it should be for guns. If you want to own and shoot your gun on private land, more power to you. If you want to carry a gun on public land, you get the appropriate license (hunting or carry permit). Same as with cars.

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Post by tetromino_ »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #288
tetromino_ wrote: post #280

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> we know that their ultimate goal is an outright ban You think you know someone's ultimate, real goal? Assuming that they didn't publicize that goal - how do you know it? Are you privy to their confidential discussions, was an internal whitepaper of theirs leaked?

You think you know someone's ultimate, real goal? Yes, I always get steamed when someone tries to impute motives to some other actor. But I'm not resorting to such here. I know it because the head of the organization (a while back, when it was named NCCH) said so: The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second is to get handguns registered. And…

Thanks for responding and for the interesting link. Though AFAICT he seemed to be calling only for a ban on handguns (not all guns) - which, as gun control measures go, is much more rational than e.g. the assault weapon ban.

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Post by gkya »

wyager wrote: post #295
gkya wrote: post #289

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I've known many casesof guns accidentally firing when being cleaned and causing deaths. Usually a child or a spouse.

Modern factory firearms quite simply do not go off accidentally. With extremely rare ecxeptions, "cleaning accidents" are either failed suicide attempts or extremely negligent mishandling. Look up the four main rules of firearm safety. Adherence to these rules will all but eliminate the risk of a dangerous malfunction (extremely rare) or fumble (less rare) during firearm operation and cleaning.

> With extremely rare ecxeptions, "cleaning accidents" are either failed suicide attempts or extremely negligent mishandling.

Nope, they happen. I'll leave it to you to search for them. For me, there are people who need guns, and people who must not have them. They're killing machines and serve no other purpose (unlike the knife which has utility).

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Post by mi100hael »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #294
mi100hael wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, "suppressor" is a term that became popular in reaction to the fact that anti-gunners took "silencer" too literally, but "silencer" is the more common and older term.

Ah! I was wrong; you are right. It was called a 'silencer' by its inventor. (He also called his car mufflers 'silencers'): http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/jeremy-s/guns-for-b... Its worth noting though: back then cars were called 'horseless carriages'. Which is pretty much an obsolete term. So maybe we can let 'silencer' die too.

Eh, I wouldn't call it dead. They are still referred to as "silencers" in the NFA and other legislation, the popular brand SilencerCo, the popular vendor SilencerShop.com, etc.

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Post by dfsegoat »

maxerickson wrote: post #282
dfsegoat wrote: post #267

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No problem. See below link to proper page, section: "Impact of Having a Firearm at Home" https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#40

I don't see where it shows there is an obvious overall protective effect from firearm possession. Additional research is needed to weigh the competing risks and protective benefits that may accompany gun ownership in different communities. doesn't exactly sound conclusive.

Except where it says:

"However, other studies conclude that gun ownership protects against serious injury when guns are used defensively (Kleck and Gertz, 1995; Tark and Kleck, 2004)."

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