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Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

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Post by fictorial »

gmosx wrote: post #5
ErrantX wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't judge the whole article by a single line... If something is called A vs B I was would hope to see a list of how A is better than B. The only mention of NodeJS is pretty derogatory - it detracts from the promotion of RingoJS (which I found interesting)

The point of the article is to bring Ringo in the spotlight. I strongly believe that the developers are doing a great job and the seamless access to Java libraries is the great selling point. If the article generates some (well deserved) attention for Ringo, it will be a success (even if some people do not agree with the wording)

This sounds like something Marak would say.

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

#12

Post by monos »

gmosx wrote: post #5
ErrantX wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't judge the whole article by a single line... If something is called A vs B I was would hope to see a list of how A is better than B. The only mention of NodeJS is pretty derogatory - it detracts from the promotion of RingoJS (which I found interesting)

The point of the article is to bring Ringo in the spotlight. I strongly believe that the developers are doing a great job and the seamless access to Java libraries is the great selling point. If the article generates some (well deserved) attention for Ringo, it will be a success (even if some people do not agree with the wording)

why downvotes? he - again - clearly states his intentions. what's wrong with that.

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

#13

Post by hannesw »

amix wrote: post #8
gmosx wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't judge the whole article by a single line... btw, I have a special definition of toy: 6. Why not use NodeJS? Well, NodeJS is a valid, if over hyped, solution. But it only helps you come up with a toy application. With 'toy' I mean an application that runs on your laptop or your staging server. For a production app you need deployment processes, multi version processes, system setup, server tuning, database scali…

At Plurk.com we use node.js to provide comet updates to over 300.000 active clients at _once_. It's not a toy and it scales much better than most of other web-stacks I have tried. Read more here: http://amix.dk/blog/post/19490#Plurk-Instant-conversations-u...

Comparing comet performance between node and ringo should be interesting. Ringo uses jetty/cometd, so it should scale pretty decently as well. My guess is that node will use less memory per connection (and thus allow more simultanous connections), while ringo/jetty should have better latency. This is also what this benchmark suggests: http://praxx.is/post/486034949/comet-with-bayeux-node-js-vs-...

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

#14

Post by dagw »

gmosx wrote: post #5
ErrantX wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't judge the whole article by a single line... If something is called A vs B I was would hope to see a list of how A is better than B. The only mention of NodeJS is pretty derogatory - it detracts from the promotion of RingoJS (which I found interesting)

The point of the article is to bring Ringo in the spotlight. I strongly believe that the developers are doing a great job and the seamless access to Java libraries is the great selling point. If the article generates some (well deserved) attention for Ringo, it will be a success (even if some people do not agree with the wording)

I guess some times controversy can be helpful. The article did generate discussion on HN. And this discussion led to me taking a look at Ringo (which I hadn't heard of) to find out what the fuss what about. And now I'm considering trying out Ringo for a project I've been thinking about for a while. So, I guess, mission accomplished .

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

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Post by gmosx »

dagw wrote: post #14
gmosx wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the article is to bring Ringo in the spotlight. I strongly believe that the developers are doing a great job and the seamless access to Java libraries is the great selling point. If the article generates some (well deserved) attention for Ringo, it will be a success (even if some people do not agree with the wording)

I guess some times controversy can be helpful. The article did generate discussion on HN. And this discussion led to me taking a look at Ringo (which I hadn't heard of) to find out what the fuss what about. And now I'm considering trying out Ringo for a project I've been thinking about for a while. So, I guess, mission accomplished .

;-)

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

#16

Post by rbranson »

gmosx wrote: post #7
fictorial wrote: post #6

> ... managed to grab the attention of the developer community with cool marketing I am not sure I would call a very good talk at jsconf "marketing" nor would I think of Ryan Dahl as "the new DHH" especially when Ryan has been known to "wish for less node.js hype". It seems you dislike the attention node.js has been given instead of node.js itself. > Contrast this to reports of NodeJS crashes. This belies an assumpti…

I don't dislike node.js (I don't agree with the direction). I just believe that RingoJS is a better solution for the majority of developers. (NodeJS may be better in niche applications like chat systems, a gaming server etc, even though I believe that technologies like GAE's forthcoming Channel API are even better)

You think an awful lot of your opinions. While confidence attracts, it came across to me as a bit blowhard-ish. ry and DHH didn't really talk big talk until they had walked a big walk. Perhaps you should focus on making a great product, let the "market" decide, and then focus on self-glorification?

EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot to say... RingoJS looks great. Keep up the good work :)

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

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Post by gmosx »

rbranson wrote: post #16
gmosx wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't dislike node.js (I don't agree with the direction). I just believe that RingoJS is a better solution for the majority of developers. (NodeJS may be better in niche applications like chat systems, a gaming server etc, even though I believe that technologies like GAE's forthcoming Channel API are even better)

You think an awful lot of your opinions. While confidence attracts, it came across to me as a bit blowhard-ish. ry and DHH didn't really talk big talk until they had walked a big walk. Perhaps you should focus on making a great product, let the "market" decide, and then focus on self-glorification? EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot to say... RingoJS looks great. Keep up the good work :)

I thinks it was clear: it's not my product, I am a user of RingoJS. Hannes and the rest of the developers deserve the credit, and the glory...

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

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Post by voodootikigod »

gmosx wrote: post #9
amix wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Plurk.com we use node.js to provide comet updates to over 300.000 active clients at _once_. It's not a toy and it scales much better than most of other web-stacks I have tried. Read more here: http://amix.dk/blog/post/19490#Plurk-Instant-conversations-u...

comet updates are a niche application

inflammatory posts with little to no statistical backing are a niche application.

That said, if you were to flip the post to be "hey node.js is cool, but check out RingoJS while you are already hot for SSJS" Now that would be awesome!

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

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Post by voodootikigod »

gmosx wrote: post #5
ErrantX wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't judge the whole article by a single line... If something is called A vs B I was would hope to see a list of how A is better than B. The only mention of NodeJS is pretty derogatory - it detracts from the promotion of RingoJS (which I found interesting)

The point of the article is to bring Ringo in the spotlight. I strongly believe that the developers are doing a great job and the seamless access to Java libraries is the great selling point. If the article generates some (well deserved) attention for Ringo, it will be a success (even if some people do not agree with the wording)

Ever consider just submitting a talk about RingoJS to "cool marketing" AKA JSConf? We are a pretty open and "underdog-rooting" group. I might know someone up in the decision committee...

Re: RingoJS vs NodeJS

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Post by gmosx »

voodootikigod wrote: post #18
gmosx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

comet updates are a niche application

inflammatory posts with little to no statistical backing are a niche application. That said, if you were to flip the post to be "hey node.js is cool, but check out RingoJS while you are already hot for SSJS" Now that would be awesome!

just ignore the nodejs part, then you don't have to like the whole article...

(btw, nodejs and ringojs are on the same side: SSJS)

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