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Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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samfisher83 wrote: post #93
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #61

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>But this is exactly how you're supposed to run a massively successful startup in its first decade. Is this sort of behavior what we'd like to condone? I mean you even admit that its business practices are sometimes exploitative and that's what? How we're supposed to do things? "Grey-area" is a pretty large understatement as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_protests_and_legal_action... >There was literally no…

He is telling people not rape people and not have sex with your subordinates. It seems pretty reasonable to me. Maybe the wording could be better, but it isn't too scandalous.

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Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by braveo »

unethical_ban wrote: post #56
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #46

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I suspect this forum is mostly teens and twenty somethings. We all lose a parent(s). It happened to me and it'll happen to you. It happens all the time with your coworkers, you just don't notice it. People don't take a year off to 'find themselves' after losing a parent. They suddenly have a funeral to plan (and pay for) and then get back to their jobs. That's life. Also, if you want to get into boating, don't let an…

People who have to work to maintain housing and a family don't take a year off after losing someone close. If you have the money and the ability, and the pain is hard enough, why would it be unreasonable to take time off? I haven't lost a parent yet, but I would probably want more than a weekend to grieve.

it's not unreasonable, but it's also unrelated to a lot of the issues Uber is coming under fire for.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by allsunny »

PatrickAuld wrote: post #20

Culture comes from the top and Uber's is pretty rotten. I did an interview there this year and it was the most aggressive questioning I've ever had. Two of 5 interviewers were really in my face while architecting systems; it was bizarre and I almost walked out. Nothing compared to the 'cultural' interview where there gave me an example of them knowingly breaking the law because "they knew they were right" and then as…

FWIW, I had a very similar experience and have a friend who had the same. Very off-putting. I was in the second round on-site and more or less felt like I probably had the job in the bag, still at the end when I met w/ the hiring manager I told him I appreciated the time but it wasn't for me. And wow, that pissed him off. Good riddance.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by minimaxir »

malandrew wrote: post #91
minimaxir wrote: post #42

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Said comments typically get downvoted/flagged already.

I'm expecting the comment to get flagged and detached so I figured it was a good time to suggest a general rule that Godwin's Law breakers will not be tolerated.

The better philosophy is "don't feed the trolls."

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

samfisher83 wrote: post #93
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But this is exactly how you're supposed to run a massively successful startup in its first decade. Is this sort of behavior what we'd like to condone? I mean you even admit that its business practices are sometimes exploitative and that's what? How we're supposed to do things? "Grey-area" is a pretty large understatement as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uber_protests_and_legal_action... >There was literally no…

He is telling people not rape people and not have sex with your subordinates. It seems pretty reasonable to me. Maybe the wording could be better, but it isn't too scandalous.

But the point is that how you say things matters. In a more corporate environment there's rules about "relationships with colleagues". In Uber's case it's more like "don't have sex behind the bar (unless she says yes)".

In a corporate environment there are no emails telling people not to throw a keg off a roof because it is already expected that you behave with a certain level of decorum. Travis sending an email worded that poorly tells us a lot about his thought processes and because it's directly from him to his workforce it specifically tells us how it is that he perceives the employees of Uber. Mainly that he's a "bro" and his employees are all "bros" too so go have a fun time and do whatever bro, just don't get me in trouble. That's a problem.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by dvt »

burkaman wrote: post #97
m12r wrote: post #63

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Can you? Microsoft Antitrust nightmare that probably set them back 5 years. Google for invading our privacy, they are still fighting big important battles in Europe. Facebook for similar privacy invasion, the whole beacon debacle. There are a lot of things that they probably did wrong, but not to the extend that the press is picturing it. Agreed 100% w/ dvt.

I could be missing some shady history, but off the top of my head how about Square? Edit: Dropbox, Craigslist, GitHub, PayPal, Instagram, Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter Anyone feel free to jump in if I'm ignoring any exploitation or shadiness. Bad examples: Spotify and Snapchat.

Snapchat? The early version of the app was literally only used by sexting teenagers in Orange County high schools.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by k-mcgrady »

redm wrote: post #67
PatrickAuld wrote: post #20

Culture comes from the top and Uber's is pretty rotten. I did an interview there this year and it was the most aggressive questioning I've ever had. Two of 5 interviewers were really in my face while architecting systems; it was bizarre and I almost walked out. Nothing compared to the 'cultural' interview where there gave me an example of them knowingly breaking the law because "they knew they were right" and then as…

That aggressive nature is both the reason they have problems and the reason they have been so successful.

>> That aggressive nature is both the reason they have problems and the reason they have been so successful.

It might be the reason they're currently the most successful company in that market BUT Lyft and others aren't dealing with the sort of mess Uber currently is. Maybe that aggressiveness will bite back hard enough that another company will be winning that market long-term.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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Post by rosser »

dvt wrote: post #39
exogeny wrote: post #31

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He presided over a culture of widespread sexual harassment that has been echoed repeatedly by multiple employees and you don't really understand why he's being criticized? Cool story, bro.

Uber has 12000 employees; 20 were reprimanded for sexual harassment. That's 0.001%

Please revisit basic arithmetic.

  20/12000 = 0.001666...
  20/12000 ≠ "0.001%"
And that's only the count of people fired.

So far.

It's not the count of disciplinary actions of any sort, not even the count of cases that were investigated, and certainly not the count of incidents, full stop.

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