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Re: Uber CEO to take leave

#21
I really don't buy the Travis Kalanik hate. Yeah, Uber started out as your typical SV unicorn (bro warts and all). Yeah, Uber's entire business model can be described as "grey-area" at best and its business practices as sometimes exploitative.

But this is exactly how you're supposed to run a massively successful startup in its first decade. This is exactly how FB started out. And this follows every rule in the startup book to a tee. Look, we can't have it both ways, guys. The recent stuff about Travis has been downright witch-hunty. I mean, every single article about the "leaked" memo was headlined as "You can have sex with your coworkers -- if..." I mean, come on.

There was literally nothing wrong with the email, but every single paper covered it in some weird passive-aggressive way. Same with the previous story where TK gets in the altercation with the Uber driver on video. Travis was (yet again) 100% in the right there, but everyone spun it like he was being some kind of asshole, when the driver blindsided him.

To be honest, I'm no Travis Kalanik fanboy (in spite of sharing the same alma mater), but the guy obviously knows what he's doing. He found, by accident or not, a market desperately in need of disruption and absolutely nailed it. Uber is a cultural phenomenon that arguably has more longevity than something like Facebook.

I just think he's been treated unfairly because of his playboy flair, but he's actually a pretty smart, ruthless business leader. Even this story tries hard to dehumanize him (cut him some slack; his mom just passed away). I don't really understand why.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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post #7

Uber clearly has massive issue internally so far as culture; while it's not as large of a problem as the obvious economic and labor issues of having a non-automated fleet, it's giving up a wicked stink that is causing talented employees to flee. That is a very difficult spiral to get out of. I'm not sure what TK leaving does to stem that, but obviously I'm sure the decision is partly, if not mostly due to the tragedy…

> I'm not sure what TK leaving does to stem that Matt Levine at Bloomberg explained the benefit of Uber getting itself in order while TK is on leave: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-12/mortgages... "Doesn't it seem like a great idea? Everyone understands that Uber needs some change, needs some adults in the room to rein in Kalanick. But it's hard to find someone who wants to waltz in, shake Kalanick's…

I was prefacing it more in terms of the trickle-down effect; literally thousands of people have been hired into a culture that was mandated by Kalanick. (See PatrickAuld's post on this thread.) Just because he goes away doesn't mean that they all do; if anything, they might view what's happening to Travis as unnecessary, or worse, unfair.

Ergo, there's a ton of timebombs ticking away all over that place. Very possible the irreversible damage has already been done.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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One of his parents died and the other was severely injured, no? Who wouldn't take leave under those circumstances?

Losing a parent is a shock, especially when it happens in an unexpected manner like this, but it's something everyone faces and most people don't take extended leaves from work as a result.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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post #3

One of his parents died and the other was severely injured, no? Who wouldn't take leave under those circumstances?

Based on this quote: "If we are going to work on Uber 2.0, I also need to work on Travis 2.0 to become the leader that this company needs and that you deserve," Kalanick wrote in an email obtained by BuzzFeed News. "During the interim period, the leadership team, my directs, will be running the company." It appears he is leaving more due to the issues with uber then him mom dying, but I am sure it contributed.

You're quoting out of context. The first line of the email explicitly says he's taking time off to grieve, reflect and work on himself, in that order (he also enumerates "focus on building a leadership team" as a reason, though I'm not really sure how that is supposed to be done when one's taking time off)

The second paragraph (the one you quoted) is a tie-in to the third paragraph, where he says what's going to happen in terms of leadership during this interim period.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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post #21

I really don't buy the Travis Kalanik hate. Yeah, Uber started out as your typical SV unicorn (bro warts and all). Yeah, Uber's entire business model can be described as "grey-area" at best and its business practices as sometimes exploitative. But this is exactly how you're supposed to run a massively successful startup in its first decade. This is exactly how FB started out. And this follows every rule in the startu…

"Bro, Hitler built schools too"

gimme a break. stop giving people an excuse because they know how to have people build something good. leaders fail when they treat people like shit.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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post #3

One of his parents died and the other was severely injured, no? Who wouldn't take leave under those circumstances?

Based on this quote: "If we are going to work on Uber 2.0, I also need to work on Travis 2.0 to become the leader that this company needs and that you deserve," Kalanick wrote in an email obtained by BuzzFeed News. "During the interim period, the leadership team, my directs, will be running the company." It appears he is leaving more due to the issues with uber then him mom dying, but I am sure it contributed.

If this were a book or movie, a significant life event like either of those (or both) would be the natural opening of a new arc.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

#27

Culture comes from the top and Uber's is pretty rotten. I did an interview there this year and it was the most aggressive questioning I've ever had. Two of 5 interviewers were really in my face while architecting systems; it was bizarre and I almost walked out. Nothing compared to the 'cultural' interview where there gave me an example of them knowingly breaking the law because "they knew they were right" and then as…

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Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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post #25
post #21

I really don't buy the Travis Kalanik hate. Yeah, Uber started out as your typical SV unicorn (bro warts and all). Yeah, Uber's entire business model can be described as "grey-area" at best and its business practices as sometimes exploitative. But this is exactly how you're supposed to run a massively successful startup in its first decade. This is exactly how FB started out. And this follows every rule in the startu…

"Bro, Hitler built schools too" gimme a break. stop giving people an excuse because they know how to have people build something good. leaders fail when they treat people like shit.

> "Bro, Hitler built schools too"

There mere fact that you compare him to Hitler, even as a joke, makes his point about how ridiculous your views are.

If anything, compare him to Gates.

Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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post #25
post #21

I really don't buy the Travis Kalanik hate. Yeah, Uber started out as your typical SV unicorn (bro warts and all). Yeah, Uber's entire business model can be described as "grey-area" at best and its business practices as sometimes exploitative. But this is exactly how you're supposed to run a massively successful startup in its first decade. This is exactly how FB started out. And this follows every rule in the startu…

"Bro, Hitler built schools too" gimme a break. stop giving people an excuse because they know how to have people build something good. leaders fail when they treat people like shit.

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Re: Uber CEO to take leave

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post #11
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. His mom died and his dad was severely injured in a boating accident. Very curious there is no mention of that. Edit: They actually mention it at the end of the article http://fortune.com/2017/06/02/uber-ceo-parents-tribute-boati...

The newscaster did mention that he hasn't been at work since the incident, spending time instead with his dad. It's a challenging time for anyone going through this, even if he's overseen some questionable things at his company.

I may dislike Uber, and Travis, and the worldwide practices of the firm, BUT a tragic loss is a tragic loss. I hope his father recovers completely and that together they will manage to cope with the lose of a Mother and Wife.

(same goes to all who have lost a loved one irrespective of how they run their business)

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