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Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by aoeusnth1 »

themagician wrote: post #92
overcast wrote: post #12

Honestly was expecting a lot more, considering the salaries people throw around on Hacker News. Using http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l... the adjusted value for $136,000 in SF to where I live in New York is a decent chunk less. Especially being in a DevOps/Systems role, and not a Software Dev one.

You shouldn't. Everyone lies about salary or includes their options at some fictions value as part of their compensation. The reality is that the number of people making over $200k is just not that many. Very senior people and directors of certain departments, sure. And you've got some $250k+ VIPs out there. Some. For everyone else, even those in the Bay Area, it caps around $180k, or $10k/mo after tax. Stay for long…

This is pure bullshit. If you seriously believe what you're saying, you've been misinformed. Stop spreading lies.

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Post by ben174 »

rajeshp1986 wrote: post #48
ben174 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an important distinction. The salaries on this sheet seem low overall, and it's probably because they're new grads from bootcamp. Someone with 10+ years of experience should be demanding more than the average salary on this list.

As an engineer who moved to US from India, I feel I am at loss while negotiating salary as I don't have a clear idea on how much people really make. I wish there could be a way to determine how much salary you should negotiate.

http://h1bdata.info That's a public listing of all H1B salaries, should be all the information you need.

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Post by learc83 »

markfer wrote: post #209
learc83 wrote: post #208

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>You'd be surprised what taking incredibly intelligent applicants, and teaching them a great curriculum (biased here) could achieve. You don't take someone with no knowledge and teach them enough to pass a Google (or Facebook, or Apple etc...) interview in 12 weeks. I looked through the curriculum and there is no way, that covering graph theory in a day or 2 is going to teach you what you need to know to pass a Googl…

Without spending too much time answering this - you're half right. Google is our top hiring partner by a long margin. The application requires a coding test, a technical interview (answering 3 questions with 15 minutes each), and a nontechnical interview. On average this takes 3-5 weeks. We have tens of thousands of applications on a yearly basis, of which we accept 2-3%. The curriculum spends 9 weeks going through C…

>Yes, they do get a job at Google when 6 months earlier they didn't know what a function was.

Doesn't your screening process basically require you to already know basic ruby? You don't have any idea how long it took an applicant to get to the point, so how can you have any idea if there are really people going from not knowing what a function is to job at Google in 6 months?

>which an average week consists of 80-100 hours of coursework (no exaggeration here).

I can't think of anything similar to this except maybe Resident Doctors, and they are performing a job, not learning for 100 hours a week. I'd really like to see some efficacy studies because I find it very hard to believe that learning for 12 hours a day for 9 weeks is effective.

After the whole thing is done, those that make it through are probably worth hiring because they made it through, not necessary because of what they learned during the process.

If anything It sounds like what you've really done is to create a multi month interview process that you've convinced people to pay for.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by nycbootcamp »

learc83 wrote: post #189
timbuckley wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an App Academy grad. I don't work at Google myself, but I know a few who do. App Academy is indeed extremely selective, with an acceptance rate less than 3%. The salaries shown are all self-reported (App Academy isn't releasing this), so there is likely some sample bias for sure. And you doubt that a/A grads work at Google or similar companies? See for yourself: https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?fac…

No I don't doubt they work at Google--I doubt that it's what they learned at app academy that got them the job at Google. You can't​ take someone new to programming and train them to pass a Google interview in 12 weeks.

I did this and 1 other person did this in my cohort.

The flaw with your assumption is that you're new to programming by the time you start a/A. By the time you start a/A you can already solve sophomore-level algorithms problems.

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Post by [deleted] »

joshuamorton wrote: post #204
poikniok wrote: post #200

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Okay, but what is the point of saying that base comp tops out at just over 200k? Quite often people with 200k bases make 500k+ total comp, so it is very misleading to focus on the base. After all Sundar Pichai's base is $652,500, but total comp is 200 million ...

Even that's not quite true, Pichai's annual comp is likely much lower than that, since his 200m grant is over some number of years. (Which is to say, talking about compensation is confusing).

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Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by learc83 »

nycbootcamp wrote: post #214
learc83 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I don't doubt they work at Google--I doubt that it's what they learned at app academy that got them the job at Google. You can't​ take someone new to programming and train them to pass a Google interview in 12 weeks.

I did this and 1 other person did this in my cohort. The flaw with your assumption is that you're new to programming by the time you start a/A. By the time you start a/A you can already solve sophomore-level algorithms problems.

>The flaw with your assumption

I never assumed that. I prefaced my assertion with: unless you have a significant knowledge base going in.

I've done a bit of reading up on app academy and from what I can tell it's a pretty standard curriculum, but it includes 80-100 hours per week of work.

It's basically a 12 week long interview that's doesn't so much train developers as it does select them.

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Post by joshuamorton »

sidlls wrote: post #207
poikniok wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, but what is the point of saying that base comp tops out at just over 200k? Quite often people with 200k bases make 500k+ total comp, so it is very misleading to focus on the base. After all Sundar Pichai's base is $652,500, but total comp is 200 million ...

"Quite often" is controversial at best.

I think it depends on your definition of "quite common". 100% of the time? No. 5% of the time, also no.

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Post by itburnslikeice »

jk2323 wrote: post #148
simon83 wrote: post #88

And here I am, living in Germany and getting told that asking for 60,000€ p.a. as a software engineer with 11 years working experience is waaay too much for most companies. Only the big ones like Bosch, Porsche, Daimler (all non-IT companies) and a few other exceptions will pay enough for a sustainable life. At the same time we hear about regular reports about "shortage of skilled professionals" here in Germany, it's…

This is 2800 € net per month. A refugee on welfare would get approximately 400 per adult plus 300 per kid plus rent paid (and free insurance). For a family of four this is 1400 Euro. Let's assume 1000 for rent in a city. This is 2400 so basically the same that you have. For not working. Germany has Syrian refuges that have 4 wifes and 23 kids. You do the math! http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/region/lokales/westerwald_art…

Yes I really doubt the refugees save the money in a bank account. Whatever they are given its consumed which translates to buying products it's just an endless cycle and eventually money ends up in banks once again.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by nloa »

Washuu wrote: post #129
GolDDranks wrote: post #46

Is it only me or aren't these wages crazy high for people with only 0-2 years of experience? I started as a fresh software engineer in Tokyo this year, and I'm making around $37k a year. I think that newbies earn about that much in Helsinki, Finland, too, where I'm originally from.

In less technology oriented areas of the USA making $35,000 to $40,000 as a fresh graduate is pretty reasonable. That was my experience along with others in the rural area I grew up around. The only way to really break past that was to be willing to move to a new area.

Thanks, reading this gives me a better feeling about my 40k salary in Germany. Reading about 120k+ somewhere else is weird.
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