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Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by edoceo »

lwhalen wrote: post #8

In Seattle and surrounding areas, Comcast is more or less the only game in town (with Centurylink a distant, distant second) if you're not in one of a dozen high-rise apartment buildings. For all their marketing around 'extensive IPv6 rollout', I've found their deployment to be hideously broken and their support staff deeply ignorant. Been here 3 years, moved once, and it's just terrible. My latest foray into trying…

In Seattle there is also CondoInternet - a fiber company in many of the newer development. But, I've seen an entire building on a NAT private network. It's included in your HOA.

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by avodonosov »

Retr0spectrum wrote: post #19
avodonosov wrote: post #10

Don't forget you can always use IPv6 as there are gates to 6th internet over 4th internet. After all the words Inter Net mean this technology can work over and between any network, be it Ethernet, Wi-Fi, Token Ring or whatever. And of course it can work over IP of another version.

What's the best way to set up and use such an ipv6 gateway? After a bit of fiddling, I managed to set something up with sshuttle, but it was a bit of a hack.

Google fo IPv6 tunnel brokers -often free services. I don't know which of them is better, may depend on where you are located.

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by kbaker »

avodonosov wrote: post #22
Retr0spectrum wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the best way to set up and use such an ipv6 gateway? After a bit of fiddling, I managed to set something up with sshuttle, but it was a bit of a hack.

Google fo IPv6 tunnel brokers -often free services. I don't know which of them is better, may depend on where you are located.

he.net provides a good one that we used for many years before getting real IPv6 space though our ISP. https://tunnelbroker.net/

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by flyinghamster »

HankB99 wrote: post #17

I started to read the article but found the font too distracting. tl;dr I guess. I see that my devices get IPV6 and IPV4 addresses. Beyond that I don't know "if it works." From outside my firewall (pfSense) I wouldn't know how to access resources within (which are walled off in the first place.)

Some useful IPv6 tests:

http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/ (goes far beyond IPv6 testing)

http://test-ipv6.com/

If you want to see if things on your network are reachable from outside, you'll need something else with IPv6 connectivity. In my own case, a T-Mobile handset with LTE works nicely; if I open up a port to an IPv6 host on my LAN, I can reach it from the phone.

My home IPv6 connection is via a /60 provided by Comcast, but I'm currently only using a single /64 out of that pool.

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by nodesocket »

lumisota wrote: post #20
coding123 wrote: post #6

I keep wondering what will happen on AWS or Google when available public v4 IPs run out/low... Start charging $15 per address?

They already charge on AWS. The cost of 1 IP is built-in to the hourly cost, with extras and those attached to stopped instances charged explicitly.

Has the price per elastic IP ever gone up though on AWS? I don't think so, but you'd expect price to rise over time as less addresses become available.

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by zurn »

avodonosov wrote: post #10

Don't forget you can always use IPv6 as there are gates to 6th internet over 4th internet. After all the words Inter Net mean this technology can work over and between any network, be it Ethernet, Wi-Fi, Token Ring or whatever. And of course it can work over IP of another version.

It seems "VPN" is what people are calling the service now, getting good IP service over a bad last mile ISP.

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by bluejekyll »

toss1941 wrote: post #13

I think of IPv6 like driving a stick shift car that you skip a gear with. If you're lucky, the engine won't stall but even if it doesn't, you'll be accelerating very slowly until the RPMs catch back up to where they should be. In IPv6's case they skipped 3 gears because they knew the car couldn't possibly stall, but here we are, barely accelerating after all this time.

Hm, this analogy is awkward. Definitely agree that it's taken a lot longer to become standard than I would like.

I was discussing this with a coworker today, and we were reflecting on a similar technical rollout that really did take of. The various ascii encodings -> UTF8. This was a big shift at the time and took a lot of time to fix. In fact I know of one large DB that, after a huge amount of outreach with customers, was only finally decommed and replaced with a UTF8 last year.

We decided the big difference was that UTF8 solved a huge problem that effected everyone. Was backward compatible with all basic ascii, and was an easy upgrade in many cases (only a problem if you bastardized stored character sets faking out the system and storing them in a different charset).

IPv6 is nicely backward compatible with IPv4, but in general it is not solving a problem most people have (yet). Most sites work fine with IPv4; IPv6 for many is just work with no significant benefit in general.

That being said, I really want IPv6 to become the only option for a lot of reasons; but there is no stron forcing function.

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by Xorlev »

nodesocket wrote: post #26
lumisota wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already charge on AWS. The cost of 1 IP is built-in to the hourly cost, with extras and those attached to stopped instances charged explicitly.

Has the price per elastic IP ever gone up though on AWS? I don't think so, but you'd expect price to rise over time as less addresses become available.

EIPs only cost money if they're unattached. Otherwise they're free.

Re: 16 Years with IPv6

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Post by IvyMike »

firloop wrote: post #4
dylz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Webpass doesn't offer IPv6? I've had native from them for a long time in the past.

Googling shows that they have some deployments but at least as far as I can tell from my network settings (and http://ipv6-test.com ) I do not have an IPv6 address. Perhaps they never got around to updating my apartment building.

My ISP (Spectrum) only enables IPv6 to a subset of their "supported" cable modem list. In other words, if you don't have the right cable modem, you may get IPv4 but don't get IPv6.

It's possible your provider may do the same.

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