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Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by linkregister »

dsacco wrote: post #104
linkregister wrote: post #96

These seem higher than most of my colleagues straight out of very reputable CS degree programs. This doesn't make much sense since it appears most of these a/A (App Academy) finishers don't have relevant work experience and degrees. It looks like App Academy really helps its participants negotiate salary and interview well. A few people have fairly senior titles. The reason for that isn't apparent.

If you don't mind me asking for more detail, where are your colleagues getting offers from, and what kind of offers are they actually getting?

The same cohort of companies in this form.

State schools averaging below $100k.

Prestigious private and fancy public (UC system) averaging $115k, for new grads.

SF Bay Area.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by morgtheborg »

learc83 wrote: post #74
BigChiefSmokem wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CS degree column seems to confirm that as well. More proof that you don't need to hand over a small fortune to some college to succeed at what we do on a day to day basis. The industry should have a better indicator of who is a "front-line" developer and who is actually what I consider a computer scientist who is at the forefront of research and development in the field (and should be making a lot more salary/inc…

Not a lot of people going to dev bootcamps with CS degrees. Also look at these company names. It would take competent, trained developer 12 weeks just to study for the google interview. There is no way someone goes from, not a programmer , to passing Google interviews in 12 weeks. Either this boot camp is very selective in who they admit, or they are very selective in which salaries they show.

Or they did their 12 weeks and then studied on their own time.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by morgtheborg »

mlent wrote: post #146

Who here has actually interviewed Bootcamp graduates? I've had people who didn't know the difference between an object and an array, and people who had to comment their way through implementing a function that replicates "filter" in javascript. I really don't buy it that people straight out of Bootcamp can land a job at any of these companies at such salaries. You need a lot more background knowledge before that. Or…

> I've had people who didn't know the difference between an object and an array, and people who had to comment their way through implementing a function that replicates "filter" in javascript.

I don't know a single person from my cohort who fits that description...and we aren't the most selective bootcamp by far.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by throwaway56609 »

cableshaft wrote: post #176
arkadiyt wrote: post #5

Here's another one that has 3600 salaries: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNl...

Yeah, helped confirm what I'd suspected for awhile now. Chicago is garbage for compensation compared to other major cities. It's apparently difficult to break six figures as a senior dev here, that really shouldn't happen. Dammit, I don't want to leave, but I'm tired of seeing other places get 50-150% higher salaries and bonuses.

> It's apparently difficult to break six figures as a senior dev here

Where did you hear that? If you're a legitimate senior dev with marketable skills you shouldn't have a problem hitting six figures in Chicago.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by morgtheborg »

superplussed wrote: post #112
linkregister wrote: post #96

These seem higher than most of my colleagues straight out of very reputable CS degree programs. This doesn't make much sense since it appears most of these a/A (App Academy) finishers don't have relevant work experience and degrees. It looks like App Academy really helps its participants negotiate salary and interview well. A few people have fairly senior titles. The reason for that isn't apparent.

Yeah, the senior titles for people with 1 or 1.5 years out of bootcamp don't make any sense at all, and cast doubt on the validity of the data. Come on, we've all worked with smart people that are a year or two in to being a developer, and you can't label them "senior" no matter how smart they are. Is it possible that someone from one or more bootcamps is fluffing the data, knowing that it will get posted on HN?

Eh, if you're one of the few devs at a startup it's easy to get a "senior" title. It comes down to responsibility. Now whether any sane startup should be HIRING as one of their primary devs a recent grad is another question entirely.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by poikniok »

cableshaft wrote: post #176
arkadiyt wrote: post #5

Here's another one that has 3600 salaries: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNl...

Yeah, helped confirm what I'd suspected for awhile now. Chicago is garbage for compensation compared to other major cities. It's apparently difficult to break six figures as a senior dev here, that really shouldn't happen. Dammit, I don't want to leave, but I'm tired of seeing other places get 50-150% higher salaries and bonuses.

Have you looked at trading firms? There are many in Chicago that pay 130k+ base to new grads, with significant bonus comp.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by markfer »

Hey all, I actually work at App Academy in the admissions department. Happened to see this while at work. These numbers are very much in-line with our graduate history ($105k average in SF, $89k in NY).

Seems like there is a decent amount of skepticism in this thread, but feel free to ask me anything!

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by timbuckley »

linkregister wrote: post #179
timbuckley wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

App Academy is extremely selective (less than 3%). Also there is probably sample bias, since these are all self-reported.

So App Academy is fulfilling the selection process that companies really want? Sounds like a cheaper way to a $150k salary than spending 4 years at a top CS university or MBA program.

Indeed. I'm a graduate (3+ years ago). Best thing I ever did.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Post by learc83 »

timbuckley wrote: post #154
learc83 wrote: post #80

Look at the company names, I'm not buying this for graduates of a 12 week bootcamp. Either this bootcamp is very selective in who they admit, or they are very selective in which salaries they show. The only way you're passing multiple rounds of interviews at google/facebook/big name sv company after 12 weeks of study is if you already had a significant knowledge base before hand, you're some kind of algorithms savant…

I'm an App Academy grad. I don't work at Google myself, but I know a few who do. App Academy is indeed extremely selective, with an acceptance rate less than 3%. The salaries shown are all self-reported (App Academy isn't releasing this), so there is likely some sample bias for sure. And you doubt that a/A grads work at Google or similar companies? See for yourself: https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?fac…

No I don't doubt they work at Google--I doubt that it's what they learned at app academy that got them the job at Google.

You can't​ take someone new to programming and train them to pass a Google interview in 12 weeks.

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