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Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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1. These salaries are for Bootcamp graduates, which means they'll be lower than someone with 5 years experience in programming. 2. These salaries are likely for the Bay Area, where a 1br apartment can cost you $3k+, and your tax rate will be 35% (state + federal). It's not comparable to places with lower tax rates and lower cost of living.

Location does make a huge difference. I make $110,000 as a CTO with 20 years experience but if you calculate for cost of living differences that is $164,162 in San Fransisco. Although I'm probable still underpaid if #1 is true... some of these salaries are approaching that.

$110K as a CTO does seem low to me. Do you mind if I ask where you live?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

California is financial fairy tale land in every way. Wages, taxes, real estate, and cost of living are all crazy high.

How strong financial "gradients" there are around the Bay area? Do people try to come up with all kinds of remote work scenarios etc. to be able to earn the same wages without having to pay for living there? How do people who are not software engineers, manage? Are all wages high?

Not really. Some people take their bay area salary and swing it into remote work somewhere else. But most of us like it here and have no desire to move. High cost of living = higher pay. High housing costs = higher expected appreciation. And most people just pay the piper and deal with it. It doesn't seem particularly difficult to afford living here, versus anywhere else I've been. It's just a different world. My sister owned a house in Rochester for 5 years, and when they sold it, they were worried about being able to get the money they paid for it, let alone pay the agent. A roof costs 20% the purchase price. All of a sudden renting looks more attractive. This is not to say you're guaranteed to make money on real estate in SF or Boston or wherever, just that it's a different game, and you can't bring all of your old assumptions into it.

Whether you're in SF or the middle of Wyoming, how many people really optimize for retirement? The software engineer in SF might treat herself to a nicer car after a few years of good raises. The rancher in Wyoming might buy a newer side-by-side for hunting trips after having a few good years. Almost nobody goes full Mr Money Moustache and restricts their spending as much as possible in order to retire as soon as possible. Most people spend most of the money they make and make a vague plan to retire somewhere around 65. So if you're going to spend a decent chunk of what you make, why not do it in the Valley versus anywhere else?

If you're looking to get out as soon as possible, ABSOLUTELY get an SF salary, move to Wyoming, and live in a trailer. Or, better yet, a foreign country with an even lower cost of living.

For the rest of us, we have hobbies, families, interests outside of work, and uprooting all of it to move to Wyoming to save some money is just as unthinkable as cutting all hobbies and travel and dining out expenses just to sit on the couch every night.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Senior dev salary in Berlin is 60-80k EUR, >40% taxes. Compared to SF and London, rents are still cheap though. 2BR can be had for 700-1000 depending on quality and location. I saw a post from Buffer where 60k in Berlin equal 120-130k in SF or NY, not sure if that is true.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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These seem higher than most of my colleagues straight out of very reputable CS degree programs. This doesn't make much sense since it appears most of these a/A (App Academy) finishers don't have relevant work experience and degrees. It looks like App Academy really helps its participants negotiate salary and interview well. A few people have fairly senior titles. The reason for that isn't apparent.

If you don't mind me asking for more detail, where are your colleagues getting offers from, and what kind of offers are they actually getting?

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

#105
post #87

These numbers are interesting, but could non-US folks please stop crying about the crazy high absolute numbers before doing some basic math and adjusting for other metrics besides total salary? I always use Numbeo ( https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/ ) to compare cost of living, and quite often find that I would need to double my salary to have the same standard of living in SV or NYC, which would put me right in…

> These numbers are interesting, but could non-US folks please stop crying about the crazy high absolute numbers before doing some basic math and adjusting for other metrics besides total salary?

Quite a few of us non-US folks are in London, which is only 13% cheaper than San Francisco, so we will continue crying, thank you very much.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

#106

Senior dev salary in Berlin is 60-80k EUR, >40% taxes. Compared to SF and London, rents are still cheap though. 2BR can be had for 700-1000 depending on quality and location. I saw a post from Buffer where 60k in Berlin equal 120-130k in SF or NY, not sure if that is true.

possibly very true, but I believe that worked in X for 5-8y will pretty much gonna make wonders in the future positions that you will find.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A one bedroom is not $3000+ either.

A one bedroom in London is easily $2000 though, so that only explains $12k difference in salary.

Doesn't make sense to count in dollars. You are not paid in dollars in London.

It's fluff talk about the exchange rate. It sure was more than $2000 last year when it was £1 for $1.5.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You shouldn't. Everyone lies about salary or includes their options at some fictions value as part of their compensation. The reality is that the number of people making over $200k is just not that many. Very senior people and directors of certain departments, sure. And you've got some $250k+ VIPs out there. Some. For everyone else, even those in the Bay Area, it caps around $180k, or $10k/mo after tax. Stay for long…

> The $250k engineer is a myth. By the time you are making $250k you aren't writing code anymore. In fact, you may have never written code in your life. You're a director, VP or C-level executive of an engineering department. Large tech companies have ladders for both engineering and management. There's nothing inconceivable about earning well in excess of $250k/year and writing code. I'm not going to lie and say it'…

No, a lot of people don't. A few people do.

Small consultancies and independent app developers can bring in $250k+, but not necessarily year over year. And they are usually doing a lot more than just engineering.

Maybe I should clarify: The notion of a $250k+ engineering "salary" as normal is a myth. I live in San Francisco an I don't actually know a single person who falls into this bucket. I know a bunch of people at startups who pull that down, but not sustainably. A few people at FB and Google who cleared that much the first year if you include the signing bonus and/or account for all the options they might receive some day in years 1-2.

The only person I know who actually has a $250k+ salary as an engineer works at Amazon in Seattle, but he doesn't even code anymore.

Re: Anonymized list of engineering salaries from bootcamp grads

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For comparison see average Police and Firefighter salaries in California: http://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article2573210... A police lieutenant in Mountain View averages 198k

Wow, I'm in the wrong industry. I could be walking Castro Street on this sunny day, breaking up fistfights over which is the superior text editor; handing out speeding tickets to Teslas, McLarens, and Lamborghinis; giving parking tickets to exotic cars spilling all over the street for the latest open house.

All for way more money than almost everyone I know is making. Not bad at all.

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