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Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by blazespin »

b0rsuk wrote: post #300

The article displays his autocomplete hints: google amp pages google amp annoying google amp sucks google amp conference My equivalents in google.com are: test cache disable maps Both bing.com and duckduckgo.com (which doesn't track) don't recognize "amp", even when I put both first words in quotes, and assume I made a typo in "maps". This simple test is therefore inconclusive, but my hypothesis is that his search au…

I get google amp .. pages, annoying, disable on mobile safari. I've never searched for google amp before and generally don't search for anything that would encourage that. An option to disable would be good. Don't see what the big deal is. Doubt many people would use it, but technical folks would probably like it.

Why this was voted up to top on HN is weird. Even if enabled by Google, won't have any impact.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by hoschicz »

takeda wrote: post #146
amelius wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using Android with Chrome, and there is no option to change the search engine to DDG :/ The only options are: Google, Bing, AOL, Yahoo, Ask.

The sad thing is that AOL & Yahoo is really Bing, and Ask is I believe Google. So essentially it comes down to Google and Bing. To get DDG you'll need to use a different browser like FF. I actually blocked Chrome on my phone and started using FF once I noticed that Chrome was updating itself even though I was requiring manual updates. Play Store and Google Play Services do the same thing, but don't have a good altern…

DDG actually was using Yahoo as a serach provider and now uses Yandex. The ads on DDG are from the Yahoo network.

> AOL & Yahoo is really Bing What? I don't get that -- I don't know about AOL, but I thought that Yahoo does its own crawling (their Slurp bot)

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by int_19h »

notatoad wrote: post #247
int_19h wrote: post #215

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As a user, I like the "fast" part, but I absolutely hate the user experience. I haven't quite figured out how Back works when you're in the "AMP experience", but it's definitely not how it's supposed to work in a browser.

it takes you back. it's the same thing the back button does in every website in every browser. what do you expect it to do?

Not if you have opened the article from the carousel (when you can swipe left/right between articles related to the topic you searched for). In that case, Back doesn't bring you back to the previous article - it closes the current article, and brings back the search results page.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by IanCal »

EGreg wrote: post #276
IanCal wrote: post #266

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That's not quite accurate. If you make an AMP page, Google will cache it. Google caching it is not optional. https://developers.google.com/amp/cache/faq#can-i-stop-conte...

Why would you make an AMP page?

Restricting what you use to the AMP subset would make your page quite fast, with a dependency on a javascript file that most mobile browsers should have cached, along with having your page in the top carousel loading in smoothly like all the others. This can all be detected from your main page when crawled (as it'll link to the AMP version) so depending on the device one or the other can be presented as a search result.

None of that requires being hosted by google.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by saurik »

tomphoolery wrote: post #183

Why doesn't AMP change the URL bar itself? I don't see a reason why it can't utilize the browser history API and attribute the correct URL page view, considering Google is probably doing your analytics too.

Because the ability to have one website claim to be another site entirely in the URL bar seems like a phisher's wet dream?

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by freyr »

b0rsuk wrote: post #300

The article displays his autocomplete hints: google amp pages google amp annoying google amp sucks google amp conference My equivalents in google.com are: test cache disable maps Both bing.com and duckduckgo.com (which doesn't track) don't recognize "amp", even when I put both first words in quotes, and assume I made a typo in "maps". This simple test is therefore inconclusive, but my hypothesis is that his search au…

Try going into Incognito Mode and searching from google.com. When I do that, I get pages, annoying, sucks, and conference.

Actually, I get those same results in or out of Incognito Mode, but it's possible your search history is coloring your results.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by tempodox »

If we need Google to tell us to do something that could just as well be achieved by applying reason and sane engineering, without capitulation to a monopoly, then something is deeply wrong with our industry.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by izacus »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #294
xiphias wrote: post #288

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iPhone is no better...when I was developing a web site, I bought an iPhone 4 as a testing device, and it was quite painful to use compared to my Samsung S7 Edge (and quite slow). I bought it because it was still used heavily in the user base.

An iPhone 4 is an ancient and no longer supported device, it's 7 years old, an eternity in the mobile market. You're comparing a 2010 device to a 2016 one.

People who have perfectly functional iPhones 4 deserve to use the web too. Forcing people to pay huge premium just to keep the same functionality is messed up

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by tallanvor »

takeda wrote: post #146
amelius wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using Android with Chrome, and there is no option to change the search engine to DDG :/ The only options are: Google, Bing, AOL, Yahoo, Ask.

The sad thing is that AOL & Yahoo is really Bing, and Ask is I believe Google. So essentially it comes down to Google and Bing. To get DDG you'll need to use a different browser like FF. I actually blocked Chrome on my phone and started using FF once I noticed that Chrome was updating itself even though I was requiring manual updates. Play Store and Google Play Services do the same thing, but don't have a good altern…

Yahoo was using Bing from around 2010 to 2015. But since then they've been using a variety of sources - Bing, Google, and presumably their own, and I think it can mix the results.

Yahoo's search business was always odd... They had their own search, then switched to search powered by Google. Then they purchased Overture, which owned AlltheWeb and AltaVista. Overture had originally purchased AlltheWeb from FAST, who had pivoted into the enterprise space, and later got bought by Microsoft and integrated into SharePoint.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by Sevores »

tyingq wrote: post #36
omot wrote: post #3

I never really understood why google amp is bad. Can anyone explain the reason why people think its ethically bad?

>Can anyone explain the reason why people think its ethically bad This is just one of many reasons, but try this on a mobile phone. Go to Google and search for "Trump" Note what choices you have to pick from without excessive scrolling. They all end in either ads or Google urls. Click one of the featured stories in the carousel, almost guaranteed to be an AMP site. Seems to be a prerequisite to sit in the carousel. L…

Thank you! I’ve been wondering what this AMP fiasco was all about when I have never seen such a site. It turns out I have developed banner-blindness on the Google search results. I have always scrolled to the “real” first result without ever considering the ads and carousels.
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