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Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by sorenstoutner »

My experience is that all the advantages of AMP can be had by disabling JavaScript while browsing. And this comes with none of the disadvantages of ceding even more control to companies like Google and Facebook.

In my opinion, JavaScript should be disabled by default and only enabled for specific tasks or websites. Not finding exactly what I was looking for in any other browser, I eventually created Privacy Browser on Android. https://www.stoutner.com/privacy-browser/

There are extensions like No Script that can give similar results for other browsers. https://noscript.net/

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by jdironman »

freehunter wrote: post #187
dingo_bat wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although AMP is not a performance beast by any measure, your experience is coloured because you're using Chrome on Android. Google news works pretty well on Samsung browser. It still annoys me that I can't see the link to the actual website but that's it.

So you're saying that Google's official browser is slow on their official web technology on their official mobile platform? And Samsung, who is well known for their software quality issues, is a better choice?

Well, he is speaking from experience. While this isn't the place for speaking from experience but more about enabling a better experience for all users he cannot deny what he has observed. However the user above us had the correct answer with filing a bug / legitimate issue with devs. That is the only way to increase usability for all users.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by djrogers »

imchillyb wrote: post #176
themodelplumber wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but maybe there's a better way to get you your nice BART outcome, you know? I think that's really part of the pushback here. We haven't really given social permission for Google to convert the web to AMP by force.

> ...convert the web to AMP by force. @themodelplumber Complete hyperbole. Google's not forcing anyone to use AMP. They're not forcing developers or users to use AMP. There is no force. There is only usability. Users prefer usability. Developers prefer people use their products. If a user does not, or cannot, connect to the developer's product the developer loses. If a user cannot connect easily and speedily to a pag…

> There is no force.

If you as a publisher want your content to show up in the carousel or top search results, you really have no choice but to use amp. It’s coercion if it’s not force.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by ciconia »

At 43yo I probably belong to the older folks on HN, but those modern devices all of us carry in our pockets to me seem just absolutely incredible and magical. They probably can run around machines that took up whole rooms just a few decades ago.

At the risk of sounding like an old fart (I probably do), I fail to understand this frustration of normal mobile users with the so-called slowness of their mobile experience. To quote CK Lewis: "Give it a second! It’s going to space! Can you give it a second to get back from space!??"

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by bsder »

ciconia wrote: post #194

At 43yo I probably belong to the older folks on HN, but those modern devices all of us carry in our pockets to me seem just absolutely incredible and magical. They probably can run around machines that took up whole rooms just a few decades ago. At the risk of sounding like an old fart (I probably do), I fail to understand this frustration of normal mobile users with the so-called slowness of their mobile experience.…

It's the ads. It's always the ads.

The basic stuff loads lightning fast. And then the Javascript ad garbage starts loading. 20 seconds later and 15 domain lookups later, your page finally becomes responsive.

So, what is happening is that AMP is removing everything except Google served ads and that makes everything nice and fast.

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by theWatcher37 »

ciconia wrote: post #194

At 43yo I probably belong to the older folks on HN, but those modern devices all of us carry in our pockets to me seem just absolutely incredible and magical. They probably can run around machines that took up whole rooms just a few decades ago. At the risk of sounding like an old fart (I probably do), I fail to understand this frustration of normal mobile users with the so-called slowness of their mobile experience.…

I honestly don't get it. If web is slow on a modern smartphone it's the website's fault

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by throwaway-1209 »

sintaxi wrote: post #21

I suggest stop using google search altogether. https://duckduckgo.com/ is an excellent search engine and its trivial to make a google search via `!g` prefix when you are not finding what you are looking for.

DDG is a wrapper on top of Bing. Maybe just skip the middleman and use Bing instead?

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by theWatcher37 »

bsder wrote: post #196
ciconia wrote: post #194

At 43yo I probably belong to the older folks on HN, but those modern devices all of us carry in our pockets to me seem just absolutely incredible and magical. They probably can run around machines that took up whole rooms just a few decades ago. At the risk of sounding like an old fart (I probably do), I fail to understand this frustration of normal mobile users with the so-called slowness of their mobile experience.…

It's the ads. It's always the ads. The basic stuff loads lightning fast. And then the Javascript ad garbage starts loading. 20 seconds later and 15 domain lookups later, your page finally becomes responsive. So, what is happening is that AMP is removing everything except Google served ads and that makes everything nice and fast.

Maybe the problem is javascript

Re: Please Make Google AMP Optional

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Post by theWatcher37 »

kyrra wrote: post #190
baconner wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your hypothetical there assumes that AMP actually works well. My experience is it's got painful usability issues at least on android chrome. The worst one I see all the time is scrolling down to actually read the AMP page frequently results in the page closing, returning you to results. Fast is good, but at least it ought to be a good user experience. I used to use google news a lot, but i totally abandoned it after…

[I work for Google, opinions my own] If you have specific issues you can spell out, consider filing a bug on it[0]? The AMP team is tracking most of their work via Github as far as I'm aware. As an iOS user, one bug that bothered me for a long time with AMP was scroll inertia, which seems to be an issue with Webkit rather than AMP[1]. If you poke around the tracker, you can see the team does what it can to fix issues…

You work for google, so you're unabashedly supporting a terrible attack on the open web because it's "fast"?
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