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This is a pretty ironic statement, given their entire product design is built to serve apple, and the users are often secondary to that or ignored entirely; such as making UI more difficult on purpose so you're more inclined to use siri, or buying music instead of bringing your own. I dont see AI at apple being any different. Its for them FIRST, us second, if at all. "humanity" may as well mean corporations since the…
> given their entire product design is built to serve apple, and the users are often secondary to that or ignored entirely; such as making UI more difficult on purpose so you're more inclined to use siri, or buying music instead of bringing your own. That's simply not true, and it's a really offensive statement for pretty much anybody working at Apple. There's no company I can think of that cares more about the user…
Apple has often been secondary on UX. Not always - sometimes they can nail it. But it's been more often they miss, or backburner it over other priorities.
Do other companies suck more? sure. But apple has lost its way, or found a much more selfish one, and you see it play out in every gesture they make.
Sorry not sorry. Apple needs a kick in the pants.
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Apple is extremely user-hostile, they make it hard to do anything they don't want you to do with YOUR device. It's simple things like using uncommon screws internally, or soldering in the ram, or requiring a certain set of bits at the front of your hard drive, or making it so the batteries cannot be removed.
Screws are the straw that will break the camels back? Everyone knows torx are better anyway. They are less prone to stripping. I used them on the house I built. Any curious nerd will have torx bits already. Anyone else won't care enough to even want to open their Mac.
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> yet Tim did turn the tech juggernaut he was bequeathed into a watch band and sticker company. That's such an incredibly simplistic view of Apple's strategy. I expected more out of the HN crowd. I honestly think the moderation team should crack down more on these types of casual and innocuous statements that provide no value that they might as well be memes. It's so incredibly easy to trivialize anything, especially…
It's ironic, and hilarious frankly, that your reply about vapidity was much more vapid than what you were complaining about. Why don't you offer something of substance rather than complaining about substance.You are part of the 'HN crowd' you speak of and what you contribute literally forms part of this living, breathing community.
I specifically wanted to float the idea about moderation intervention as a possible solution to the problem I pointed out. It's perhaps not the best solution, but it's a starting point.
How many more "Facebook is stupid and evil, Apple no innovation lol watch bands" statements should we suffer through as a community?
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> given their entire product design is built to serve apple, and the users are often secondary to that or ignored entirely; such as making UI more difficult on purpose so you're more inclined to use siri, or buying music instead of bringing your own. That's simply not true, and it's a really offensive statement for pretty much anybody working at Apple. There's no company I can think of that cares more about the user…
Oh but it is true, and I will happily offend them. Each and every one of them, on an individual basis. Who are they to be shielded from criticism? Apple has often been secondary on UX. Not always - sometimes they can nail it. But it's been more often they miss, or backburner it over other priorities. Do other companies suck more? sure. But apple has lost its way, or found a much more selfish one, and you see it play…
Everything you've written so far is devoid of substance. I want to respond to your claims but I can't because you've given me nothing to drive the conversation forward with.
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> given their entire product design is built to serve apple, and the users are often secondary to that or ignored entirely; such as making UI more difficult on purpose so you're more inclined to use siri, or buying music instead of bringing your own. That's simply not true, and it's a really offensive statement for pretty much anybody working at Apple. There's no company I can think of that cares more about the user…
Apple is extremely user-hostile, they make it hard to do anything they don't want you to do with YOUR device. It's simple things like using uncommon screws internally, or soldering in the ram, or requiring a certain set of bits at the front of your hard drive, or making it so the batteries cannot be removed.
If you want to open up your device and swap out the RAM, well, you're not even remotely representative of Apple's userbase and you should not be surprised that Apple doesn't cater to your wishes.
One on hand "Company doesn't satisfy my $overly_specific gripe! They're an enemy of humanity!"
On the other "nuh uh!"
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It's ironic, and hilarious frankly, that your reply about vapidity was much more vapid than what you were complaining about. Why don't you offer something of substance rather than complaining about substance.You are part of the 'HN crowd' you speak of and what you contribute literally forms part of this living, breathing community.
I specifically wanted to call out this particular statement because it can be so innocuous and it served as a great example of the problem I've been seeing more and more in comments. I specifically wanted to float the idea about moderation intervention as a possible solution to the problem I pointed out. It's perhaps not the best solution, but it's a starting point. How many more "Facebook is stupid and evil, Apple n…
I would argue that memes are, in effect, a form of data compression that condenses a (A) wide scope of information, that (B) many people feel is true into (C) a very small nugget of memorable text.
So, I could've spent a few paragraphs arguing the lack of meaningful product development, highlight the overlapping and often confusing product catalog (iPad, iPad Pro, iPad Pro 13", iPad Air, MacBook, MacBook Air, etc etc). Spent a few more sentences talking about Beats acquisition, Apple Music, etc....but in the end it saves everyone time to just say "Watch Bands + Stickers" and the meme imbues the rest.
I think you'd agree that its not the use of a meme that bothers you, but its the use of a meme that you don't agree with, yet still holds an uncomfortable truth in it.
For instance, if the meme was about how Elon Musk was upsetting the entrenched oil oligarchs, I doubt you'd want that censored.
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> given their entire product design is built to serve apple, and the users are often secondary to that or ignored entirely; such as making UI more difficult on purpose so you're more inclined to use siri, or buying music instead of bringing your own. That's simply not true, and it's a really offensive statement for pretty much anybody working at Apple. There's no company I can think of that cares more about the user…
Apple is a big company, and I'm sure that there is a lot of diversity in how individual people and indeed teams or departments go about making their products. But during the Jobs days at least, despite Apple's reputation for user experience excellence, I think it was a company that was at best indifferent towards the experience of its users per se. What it was focused on was delivering a clean, powerful, beautiful de…
I'm really confused by this.
First off, iPhones ring perfectly loud. Maybe your wife just turned down the ringer volume and never bothered to check?
Secondly, I don't see how ringer volume has anything to do with a "prettier, more iconic device". And what's more, you haven't actually provided any evidence whatsoever to substantiate your claim that Apple only cares about having an "iconic" device rather user experience.
> The keyboard for iPhones was awful for years. Only a single spelling suggestion, no ability to get anything other than letters without hitting a chord key, hard to tell if you were in capitalization or lower-case. But it was a pretty, uncrowded keyboard, despite being just incredibly slower and more painful to use than equivalent Android keyboards. So Apple didn't care.
I disagree that the keyboard was "awful". When it was introduced, it was hands down the best software keyboard. And I completely disagree that it was "incredibly slower and more painful to use than equivalent Android keyboards". Android keyboards experimented with new approaches, but an Android keyboard that one person says is great another might say is awful (for example, the whole crazy about dragging your finger around the keyboard, which I forget what it's called - some people love that, some people hate it). Apple was conservative with changing their keyboard, but they had a very good reason to, which is that any change they make has to be an improvement for the millions of customers they have, and has to be enough of an improvement to offset the fact that change in general is bad (because it screws up people's habits, which is particularly important when it comes to typing). So it's not that Apple "didn't care", it's that they didn't want to change the keyboard, which millions of people loved, without having a clear benefit.
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That's not user hostile, that's user friendly, those things enable them to delivery a standard experience (something you cannot get on a droid) on their appliance to users who by the way love the shit out of them for how well their phones work. You might not like Apple, but their users do precisely because of those things. Apple sees their phones as appliances, not as personal computers to be customized; that approac…
I think you're right, but that kind of thinking is what leads to less open devices and software, which in turn leads to technology serving whoever controls it first and foremost.