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Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

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A lot of people are using the "I bought chips at Costco and resold them at a concession stand example". This is at least a little different. Say you owned Captainmuon Grocery and only sold private label Captainmuon Chips. Although demand is so high you could distribute your Chips to other groceries and retailers, you see greater value in driving traffic to your store through the exclusive distribution. Don't you have…

If you can't sell something you own, then you don't own it. Being free to dispose of property how you see fit has been a foundation of common law for a few centuries.

In that case you don't own your prescription medication. Reselling alcohol is another legal gray area, but absolutely prohibited to sell to minors, so not being able to dispose of your property how you see fit I guess you don't own your alcohol either.

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I'm looking at this as though Trader Joe's was a different company... say Disney. Disney goes to great lengths to work out how its products are used, packaged and distributed to not only maximize profits, but also to maintain a certain image. If I go to DisneyWorld, purchase a Mickey Mouse doll, an take it home. I have the right to do with that doll whatever I want: burn it, give it to my daughter, or resell it at wh…

In a typical reseller arrangement, the constraints on reselling are tied to the discount. There's nothing about Mickey Mouse that contravenes the first-seller doctrine when bought at retail.

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There ought to be a law against that. Better, an amendment. No idea on the verbiage though.

IANAL but my impression is the provision in legal due process for expediency is relevant only to the criminal justice system. This example makes for a very good argument that it ought to also apply to the civil justice system. The main mechanism that is used for this kind of legal action is the cost of retaining a law firm for extended periods of time. If the time was reduced the costs would be reduced also. That wou…

Or make it unlawful to extend a case artificially or until the other party goes bankrupt.

Re: Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

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post #54

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No, the seller does not have any of those rights. It's called the first-sale doctrine.

Just so we are on the same page first-sale doctrine applies to works with copyright (i.e. You buy my book you have a right to resell or display it) it does not apply to consumable goods/food stuffs. Almost any reasonable person can understand practical limits of resale rights: think reselling your prescription opiates claiming first-sale doctrine. And no just because Trader Joe's products have TJ trademarks does not…

No, you're just incorrect here.

Transfer of prescription medication is a different matter, and these are controlled substances with specific rules around transfer. If you happened to be a pharmacist and happened to have someone with a prescription for a drug, there are some scenarios where you could transfer them.

If you give me an apple, I have no obligation to eat or destroy the apple. I'm free to give it to anyone I wish, either as a whole or in parts.

Re: Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

#125

I don't understand with what right trader Joe's can prohibit somebody from reselling their products. If he clearly states where he bought them from, and that he is not affiliated, and doesn't misuse their trademarks (impersonate them), it should be absolutely legal. A side remark, people often say how great the US / north America is for entrepreneurs, compared to (continental) Europe where there is a lot of red tape…

A lot of people are using the "I bought chips at Costco and resold them at a concession stand example". This is at least a little different. Say you owned Captainmuon Grocery and only sold private label Captainmuon Chips. Although demand is so high you could distribute your Chips to other groceries and retailers, you see greater value in driving traffic to your store through the exclusive distribution. Don't you have…

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Re: Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

#126

I'm looking at this as though Trader Joe's was a different company... say Disney. Disney goes to great lengths to work out how its products are used, packaged and distributed to not only maximize profits, but also to maintain a certain image. If I go to DisneyWorld, purchase a Mickey Mouse doll, an take it home. I have the right to do with that doll whatever I want: burn it, give it to my daughter, or resell it at wh…

Disney is a really bad choice because the Disney resell market is absolutely massive. Anytime they release limited release items there's a line of people buying as much as they can just to dump it on ebay.

Re: Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

#127

I don't understand with what right trader Joe's can prohibit somebody from reselling their products. If he clearly states where he bought them from, and that he is not affiliated, and doesn't misuse their trademarks (impersonate them), it should be absolutely legal. A side remark, people often say how great the US / north America is for entrepreneurs, compared to (continental) Europe where there is a lot of red tape…

A lot of people are using the "I bought chips at Costco and resold them at a concession stand example". This is at least a little different. Say you owned Captainmuon Grocery and only sold private label Captainmuon Chips. Although demand is so high you could distribute your Chips to other groceries and retailers, you see greater value in driving traffic to your store through the exclusive distribution. Don't you have…

Hm, no, I don't think there is a legal right for a business to do something just because they judge that it would be profitable or strategic.

Re: Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

#128
post #56

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> Don't you have a legal right to create exclusive distribution of your consumable product? Not a lawyer but, I'm not sure you do have that right. I know this isn't a copyright issue, but couldn't the same logic of the First Sale Doctrine apply? As a consumer, once I purchase something, it becomes mine and I may do with it as I wish, including reselling it, yes?

You have the right by default, but you are allowed to contract the right away (under many circumstances, but probably not all). But lol at Trader Joes trying to you to sign a contract at checkout.

Given that we live in an age where you have to sign away your right to the legal system to get a credit card or a job why not I guess.

Re: Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

#129

I'm looking at this as though Trader Joe's was a different company... say Disney. Disney goes to great lengths to work out how its products are used, packaged and distributed to not only maximize profits, but also to maintain a certain image. If I go to DisneyWorld, purchase a Mickey Mouse doll, an take it home. I have the right to do with that doll whatever I want: burn it, give it to my daughter, or resell it at wh…

Disney is a really bad choice because the Disney resell market is absolutely massive. Anytime they release limited release items there's a line of people buying as much as they can just to dump it on ebay.

I picked it more as an example of a company that goes to great lengths to maintain its image and quality. And one which I think reasonable people could understand why they choose to defend that image in court if their products were used in a way that could damage it.

Re: Pirate Joe’s, Maverick Distributor of Trader Joe’s Products, Shuts Down

#130
post #44

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Yeah, I don't really understand the difference between Pirate Joe's and every snack stand that resells candy and soda they bought from somewhere else like Costco.

I think the difference is the focus on the specific products and their brand. If someone named their candy stand "Silly Wonka" and only sold Nerds and Runts, I am sure they would have Nestle come after them too.

Nestle has the single word "wonka" itself trademarked, so you're going to need a better example.
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