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Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

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Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#41
I thought it was already understood that the model of "create a $1 app and sell 10k of them per month" was long over. The App store is still a relatively new market, so people will continue to learn how to be successful on it.

I just got an iPad and started using the App store for the first time in my life and guess what? Out of the 5 things I wanted to use the pad for, 3 of them didn't exist at all. There is plenty of space in this market I would say. Just not for iFart anymore.

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#42
When reading this, it helps to remember that the author is a former Nokia executive that does consulting and speaking to Big Business. He mentions Hilton Hotels, Rite Aid, and Walgreens.

I don't know how you would split out Brand apps vs hobbyist vs junk apps, but he should have mentioned that. I'd be surprised if there are more than 10K Brand apps like the ones he appears to be most familiar with.

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#44
post #15

It seems like the expectations are very high for the App Store, so perhaps this article is just a reaction against hype. But, don't we say that only one in ten start-ups makes it? So, as a baseline, why expect more than one in ten apps on the App Store to be profitable?

Because in a start-up the one in ten that makes it makes the average effort worthwhile. (That is how VCs make their money)

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#45
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has data that indicates 73% of total apps on the store are paid. He then bases his remaining calculations on that paid app number.

Yeah, but he doesn't take into account the fact that 73% of apps do not get 73% of the downloads.

However, paid apps do get all of the purchases. The number of downloads doesn't matter, only income does.

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would an app take $1500 to develop? I wrote 4. They took less than $1500 total.

What is your time worth? I'd assume that each app took several hours to write?

Yup. Several hours each. $100 to apple. And $5 for Brushes to make icons. No other costs. Comes out under $1500 using the same rate I do Rails contracting at.

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#47
I don't care for the 35k iPhone App and 3k WAP site numbers that he pulled out of thin air. From my experiences, the costs are not so disparate.

iPhone vs. WAP is a poor comparison because an iPhone app and a WAP site are two different digital tactics that address completely different objectives.

Brands are not buying iPhone apps to get the same utility that is available from a WAP site. They are buying them to make their brands appear technically savvy, and to increase engagement.

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#48
For the sake of argument, let's assume the analysis is off by two orders of magnitude (i.e. assume half of businesses will earn less than $70K per year).

Can anyone justify an investment in development of an iPad-only productivity software? Do you think a startup can raise capital based on such economics?

My takeaway: Selling AppStore apps/ads isn't THE business model. It should be one of the channels amongst others.

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

#49
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this refutes his point, which is that developing for iphone is a suboptimal use of marketing/advertising dollars. Even if you'd assume his numbers had a 100% error margin, you still couldn't get iphone apps to work.

Just assuming he's only off by 100% is silly. There are lots of ways he could be off by a factor of 5 or 10.

Well instead of pulling numbers of thin air, how about you provide some rationalization for your 'factor 5 or 10' statements? The post came with lots of details on data sources, how assumptions/estimations were made, the relative effect of error margins etc. Saying 'there are lots of ways he could be off' is meaningless against a rationally founded argument like was made in the post.

Re: Full Analysis of iPhone Economics: Bad News?

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just assuming he's only off by 100% is silly. There are lots of ways he could be off by a factor of 5 or 10.

Well instead of pulling numbers of thin air, how about you provide some rationalization for your 'factor 5 or 10' statements? The post came with lots of details on data sources, how assumptions/estimations were made, the relative effect of error margins etc. Saying 'there are lots of ways he could be off' is meaningless against a rationally founded argument like was made in the post.

It's averaging stuff across all apps. That has pretty much no meaning for someone who doesn't intend to be anything like the average.
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