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UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by buserror »

odiroot wrote: post #113
buserror wrote: post #9

To me it demonstrates the mastery of the ruling class at strategy. Just the ticket when you plan to want to rule something as complicated as a country! Seriously, I'm completely apolitical, but this one is probably one of the worst strategic blunder, ever. Oh, perhaps that and Cameron's brexit gamble. And it feels exactly like that; they are just gambling with the future of the country, repeatedly, with just petty ob…

Something like this? http://static.polityka.pl/_resource/res/path/ce/97/ce973cf4-...

Nice find! Reality doesn't look as graceful tho! Is that May flying off with an article 50 printout? :-)

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Post by davidgerard »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #63
keithpeter wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watch out for Angela Rudd. She kept her seat (just) and could be a player.

Amber Rudd, rather than Angela - but I agree she's probably in the running if May resigns today.

Yes, but there's the minor problem she's even more out of her depth than May.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by davidgerard »

mathw wrote: post #67
arethuza wrote: post #48

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I'd imagine the hardcore Conservatives will see BoJo as the only possible "Stop Corbyn" candidate - Amber Rudd is too high risk and not well known enough, even though she did very well in the campaign. The problem is that, by all accounts, while BoJo might come across as a nice guy by all accounts he'd likely make an awful PM (e.g. read about the chaos that was his last leadership attempt).

He would be an absolutely shambolic PM.

"Idiots love Johnson’s contrived, clownish TV persona, and so will vote for him even if his policies mean they’ll be living under a flyover and cooking rats over a brazier." - Daily Mash http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/br...

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by davidgerard »

lhopki01 wrote: post #136
mathw wrote: post #71

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I'm a bit wary about the idea of a DUP + Tory agreement, because the DUP must know that the Tory position on Brexit is a huge threat to the stability and peace in Northern Ireland, and a hard border with the Irish Republic would be disastrous.

The DUP want a hard border with the Irish Republic. They specifically don't want any special status for Northern Ireland as they're afraid it would bring Ireland and Northern Ireland closer together.

They've said the opposite - do they still behave like they actually do?

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by DanBC »

cm2187 wrote: post #53
da_n wrote: post #4

I'm hoping this puts a dampener or even better kills the May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge to "create a new internet".

I think two things could happen. A torry-libdem coalition which would kill these nonsensical surveillance laws (libdem vetoed them in the past), or a new general election soon, then all bets are off.

LibDems have ruled out any coalition with anyone.

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Post by moomin »

isostatic wrote: post #129
andygates wrote: post #107

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I have a sinking feeling they would love it all along a new border wall with Eire. :/

DUP want an open border between north and south.

Indeed, and this is likely to be a major sticking point with May. You can't really tell any kind of anti-immigrant story with a fully open border, but a fully open border is what peace in Ireland needs, and the DUP fully recognize that.

It's important to understand that support for moderate parties in Northern Ireland has only collapsed because both Sinn Fein and the DUP are seen as being fully committed to the peace.

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Post by RugnirViking »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #23

The BBC feed says: "There's still no result in Kensington, west London, after two recounts. The Conservatives say they'll keep calling for recounts until they are denied any more, rather than concede, the BBC understands. As such, there's going to be a third recount, which is either going to take place this afternoon or tomorrow..." What's that about? On the face of it it seems so childishly spiteful that I feel I mu…

It actually occurred in the 1910s that there was 1 (One!) vote in an area. If its as close as that, there is significant benefit to recounting, as any result that tips the balance could tip the balance of some later votes given the tories lack of a majority

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by moomin »

davidgerard wrote: post #142
matthewmacleod wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amber Rudd, rather than Angela - but I agree she's probably in the running if May resigns today.

Yes, but there's the minor problem she's even more out of her depth than May.

The conservatives have a serious problem right now: pragmatism is seen as being ideologically unsound. Look at the amount of briefing against Philip Hammond there's been. We're talking about a fairly competent, pro-Leave chancellor who has merely argued that potential downsides should be evaluated properly before charging ahead. And he's treated like a Traitor To The Cause.

The problem being that Conservative MPs can be competent, moral and a true believer in Brexit. But it seems to be impossible to be all three.

(The last sounds like a joke, but the exception may prove the rule: Stephen Phillips is definitely a true believer, and demonstrated his integrity by quitting his seat due to his horror at the way Brexit was being handled. Boris Johnson, on the other hand, is none of the above.)

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by moomin »

HalfwayToDice wrote: post #74

Just a reminder, and I think it's getting lost here in the HackerNews demographic narrative.. but: The Conservatives Won The Election They will be ruling for 5 years, in a coalition with the even more conservative DUP. Labour/progressives are out of power for at least another 5 years. I know it's a bucket of cold water, but I think people aren't facing up to reality after Corbyn did much much better than expected. Bu…

Corbyn most definitely lost, no argument there. But so did May. She set out to get a mandate for her vision of the future. She has none.

Personally I think both of them should go. But May will struggle on due to the lack of viable alternatives, and Corbyn will continue to do ...whatever the heck it is that he's doing... because of low expectations.

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Post by ionised »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #125
spdy wrote: post #103

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Why is Corbyn a weak candidate? I don`t get it why left = communism. Corbyn is a lot like Sanders he can get the youth to vote for some degrees and has good ideas for the majority of a country. Austerity is not a good solution for the future within the new dawn of technology around the corner (ML/AI driven software)

Why is Corbyn a weak candidate? He had consistently poor approval ratings in the run-up to the election, and was hampered by having no support from the parliamentary party. I'd argue that he also had rather muddled and inconsistent policies, but that's open to interpretation. Austerity is not a good solution for the future Completely agreed, but I don't think that the correct response is that kind of leftism.

Idealogues on the right don't think there is room for any kind of leftism, which will be their undoing.
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