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UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by flukus »

kolp wrote: post #34
NamTaf wrote: post #22

edit: I know they're Unionist and eurosceptic, my understanding was that they were also for a single Ireland inside the UK and therefore would want a soft Brexit with an open Irish border. Thanks for correcting me on that however. ---------- There is no possible outcome here for the Tories that works towards a strong Brexit. The most likely coalition partner - the DUP - is all about a unified Ireland. Brexit is drivi…

The DUP is a unionist party and is diametrically opposed to a united Ireland.

Hypothetically, Would they accept a united Ireland as part of the UK?

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by gumaflux »

tkyjonathan wrote: post #5

The result is quite ironic. It was supposed to be a 'bloodbath' for the conservatives and the extreme right. It looks like the left/hard left got the young out to vote. This is largely a vote against austerity and possibly also against globalisation. I would hope that this also translates to a more moderate brexit.

Perhaps if Labour actually won own majority, sounds more like a very poorly run campaign by May. Complete lack of leadership. Just the single fact of shying away from debates.

Great opportunity to put country before party now.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by cm2187 »

da_n wrote: post #4

I'm hoping this puts a dampener or even better kills the May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge to "create a new internet".

I think two things could happen. A torry-libdem coalition which would kill these nonsensical surveillance laws (libdem vetoed them in the past), or a new general election soon, then all bets are off.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by matthewmacleod »

buserror wrote: post #9

To me it demonstrates the mastery of the ruling class at strategy. Just the ticket when you plan to want to rule something as complicated as a country! Seriously, I'm completely apolitical, but this one is probably one of the worst strategic blunder, ever. Oh, perhaps that and Cameron's brexit gamble. And it feels exactly like that; they are just gambling with the future of the country, repeatedly, with just petty ob…

Honestly, I reckon May's decision was understandable. Great polling with a complex negotiation coming up - makes sense to establish a national convention consensus government and press on (regardless of that decision being a bad one or not).

But she completely fluffed the campaign, to a ludicrous extent. She had a weak opposition and popular support, and seemed to make every possible attempt to run as poor as a campaign as possible.

I'm nervous about this being spun as a victory for the left, which I'm already hearing. It's more of a collapse of the Tories.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by arethuza »

gideonparanoid wrote: post #3

I'm curious what the under-30s turnout is. I'm hoping this will inspire younger people & encourage them to engage more in politics.

My 18 year old son was checking results at about 6 this morning - he voted for the first time for Labour and our constituency was a very narrow win for Labour over the SNP (about 250 votes).

Pretty sure his reaction is "Wow this voting thing actually works" :-)

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by mathw »

cm2187 wrote: post #53
da_n wrote: post #4

I'm hoping this puts a dampener or even better kills the May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge to "create a new internet".

I think two things could happen. A torry-libdem coalition which would kill these nonsensical surveillance laws (libdem vetoed them in the past), or a new general election soon, then all bets are off.

LibDems ruled out a coalition with anybody last night, they're not willing to step into that fire again - and they fundamentally won't accept either the Tory or Labour policies on Brexit.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by cm2187 »

arethuza wrote: post #36
alkonaut wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were to guess - what would be the result of that? Hard to say I assume given we don't even know who will lead the Conservatives to that election, but do you think the Labour bounce was a one off thing or a trend that might see them take even more seats ?

I think this election has been a huge boost for Labour - in any election in the short term I think they'd do even better than they've done in this one. NB I'm not a Labour supporter...

Possibly. But Corbyn certainly benefited a lot from having a weak candidate against him. He could possibly not be so lucky if there is a new election.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by egeekuk »

flukus wrote: post #51
kolp wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DUP is a unionist party and is diametrically opposed to a united Ireland.

Hypothetically, Would they accept a united Ireland as part of the UK?

The bigger question there is why would the Irish want to become part of the UK after less than 100 years of independence?

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Post by cjg »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #23

The BBC feed says: "There's still no result in Kensington, west London, after two recounts. The Conservatives say they'll keep calling for recounts until they are denied any more, rather than concede, the BBC understands. As such, there's going to be a third recount, which is either going to take place this afternoon or tomorrow..." What's that about? On the face of it it seems so childishly spiteful that I feel I mu…

The record for the number of recounts in a UK general election stands at 7.

Presumably if there is only one vote in it, it's well worth checking carefully, especially if recounts have different counts.

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