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UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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To me it demonstrates the mastery of the ruling class at strategy. Just the ticket when you plan to want to rule something as complicated as a country! Seriously, I'm completely apolitical, but this one is probably one of the worst strategic blunder, ever. Oh, perhaps that and Cameron's brexit gamble. And it feels exactly like that; they are just gambling with the future of the country, repeatedly, with just petty ob…

Weekend for me already!

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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What does this mean for Brexit? If Theresa May is kicked out, can/will it be declawed? Can it be reversed? Also, can someone explain to me the steps by which parties in Britain create coalitions (or whatever) and then put a new PM in place? I'm an American, so any reference to American politics is super helpful.

Parliament has already voted yes on Brexit, and formal communication was already sent to the EU. According to Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty the UK now has less than 2 years to negotiate the terms of its exit. I don't think the process can be reversed but there is certainly a lot of leeway in how it will happen.

The process could be reversed. All the EU countries would need to agree, but it would be a huge vote of confidence in the EU if Britain changed its mind, so I think that part would be easy.

However, it's unlikely Britain would back out of the decision. I think the best we can hope for is a Norway-like approach (EEA).

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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post #8

What does this mean for Brexit? If Theresa May is kicked out, can/will it be declawed? Can it be reversed? Also, can someone explain to me the steps by which parties in Britain create coalitions (or whatever) and then put a new PM in place? I'm an American, so any reference to American politics is super helpful.

Parliament has already voted yes on Brexit, and formal communication was already sent to the EU. According to Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty the UK now has less than 2 years to negotiate the terms of its exit. I don't think the process can be reversed but there is certainly a lot of leeway in how it will happen.

I think it can be halted - I've seen a number of high-level EU politicians say that it's possible to stop the process if the UK decides to.

It was this that the Lib Dems were (weakly) campaigning on in the election - to give the people the vote whether to accept the deal or stay in the EU after the negotiations were complete.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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edit: I know they're Unionist and eurosceptic, my understanding was that they were also for a single Ireland inside the UK and therefore would want a soft Brexit with an open Irish border. Thanks for correcting me on that however. ---------- There is no possible outcome here for the Tories that works towards a strong Brexit. The most likely coalition partner - the DUP - is all about a unified Ireland. Brexit is drivi…

The DUP is a unionist party and is diametrically opposed to a united Ireland.

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Labour plus the others won't have a majority. And no other party would join with the tories at this point. So we are likely in store for another election, announced in the next couple of weeks.

If you were to guess - what would be the result of that? Hard to say I assume given we don't even know who will lead the Conservatives to that election, but do you think the Labour bounce was a one off thing or a trend that might see them take even more seats ?

I think this election has been a huge boost for Labour - in any election in the short term I think they'd do even better than they've done in this one.

NB I'm not a Labour supporter...

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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What does this mean for Brexit? If Theresa May is kicked out, can/will it be declawed? Can it be reversed? Also, can someone explain to me the steps by which parties in Britain create coalitions (or whatever) and then put a new PM in place? I'm an American, so any reference to American politics is super helpful.

Unlikely to be reversed but it's a big slowdown and uncertainty for the whole Brexit process which was due to start already next week I believe. But on the bright side (for us in the rest of EU) it's also more likely to result in a "softer" brexit, if the election result is seen as a vote against May's Conservative plan. That said, whoever replaces May - once she has been eaten by the Tory backbenchers - is likely to…

> For example Boris Johnson

Dear lord that would put a ribbon on everything!

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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Not familiar with hung parliaments in the UK - normally there would be new elections if a majority government can't be formed - correct? So if LibDem/DUP and others refuse to even passively back either Labour or Conservatives then what?

You can form government if you can win a vote of confidence in the house. So some other parties might give them a vote of confidence and they can form government, but any individual piece of legislation the introduce could fail.

Australia has had two minority governments (technically only one) in the last decade and I consider it a good thing, all the stupidest legislation gets defeated.

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What exactly does a "strong" versus "weak" Brexit imply?

common market access and freedom of movement, mostly. a hard brexit means (potentially) sacrificing the former to reject the latter. a soft brexit means conceding freedom of movement to ensure continuity of economy

Re: UK election: Conservatives lose majority

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What does this mean for Brexit? If Theresa May is kicked out, can/will it be declawed? Can it be reversed? Also, can someone explain to me the steps by which parties in Britain create coalitions (or whatever) and then put a new PM in place? I'm an American, so any reference to American politics is super helpful.

Great question! Brexit negotiations are due to start in 11 days yet we do not have a party with a clear mandate (the purpose of the election in the first place). This is an omnishambles given the Brexit clock is already ticking and the UK's position has weakened significantly. The EU must be quaking in its boots regarding the upcoming negotiations!
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