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The girl pictured (blue eyed, fair hair) is especially suited to cow's milk - it's in her genes. That's how people were able to live north of certain latitudes; by cattle meat and milk. Perplexing. [edit: link to HN discussion on the lactose tolerant mutation] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4710596
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Yeah, there are very good arguments for veganism but raw health isn't typically one of them. I'd say reducing cruelty to animals is the best one. But almond or soy instead of cow's milk? That's nuts. [hah pun not intended]
What do you mean by that? I would consider the treatment of dairy cows to be at least comparable to raising cows to kill them.
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Any growth hormone making it to the milk is likely to get denatured by pasteurization and further digested in the stomach.
Interesting. I've never heard of this fragility of hormones, could you expand a bit?
It's sort of criminal that they're even allowed to label bean juice as milk. Im not 100% convinced of the necessity of drinking milk or that height is particularly a good proxy for health as a metric. But vegans should be under no illusions that almond milk or soy milk is any kind of milk substitute. And if they're giving it to infants instead of breastfeeding or formula, it's borderline neglect. I think that there a…
?? That's not what the article is about. They are talking about older children and comparing to cow milk, not formula.
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Artificial growth hormones may be banned, but endogenous ones[0] are unavoidable. Cow's milk evolved to make calves grow, this is not an avoidable minutia when attempting to comparatively characterize milk alternatives as stunting growth, but likely the central finding. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin
Unavoidable? Hardly. You just have a veal industry on the side. Milk has been produced for millennia before hormones of any type were added. Furthermore Canada has milk production quotas so, depending how they're set, hormones might not be necessary to max production at all.
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Yeah, there are very good arguments for veganism but raw health isn't typically one of them. I'd say reducing cruelty to animals is the best one. But almond or soy instead of cow's milk? That's nuts. [hah pun not intended]
What do you mean by that? I would consider the treatment of dairy cows to be at least comparable to raising cows to kill them.
It's possible to do a lot better than we do when slaughtering; but even with the best methods there's going to be up to a second of bewilderment if not pain and terror.
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Yeah, there are very good arguments for veganism but raw health isn't typically one of them. I'd say reducing cruelty to animals is the best one. But almond or soy instead of cow's milk? That's nuts. [hah pun not intended]
A large fraction of humanity never drinks cow's milk, and they lack a gene needed to digest it.
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Yeah, there are very good arguments for veganism but raw health isn't typically one of them. I'd say reducing cruelty to animals is the best one. But almond or soy instead of cow's milk? That's nuts. [hah pun not intended]
What do you mean by that? I would consider the treatment of dairy cows to be at least comparable to raising cows to kill them.
The farmers owned 2 or 3 machines where the cow goes when it wants to give milk, and get out whenever it feels about it.
There's a video on their website where you can see it http://www.lafermeduramier.fr
The cows can go outside whenever they want and sleep on some kind of mattress.
I think they're having quite a cool life
It's sort of criminal that they're even allowed to label bean juice as milk. Im not 100% convinced of the necessity of drinking milk or that height is particularly a good proxy for health as a metric. But vegans should be under no illusions that almond milk or soy milk is any kind of milk substitute. And if they're giving it to infants instead of breastfeeding or formula, it's borderline neglect. I think that there a…
And if they're giving it to infants instead of breastfeeding or formula, it's borderline neglect. Nothing borderline about it. Babies still die of malnutrition in developed countries, when it happens it is often from vegan diets. I don't think that various vegetable derived products having "milk" in their names is the biggest part of the problem though.
I agree that it's clearly a life-threatening risk to give babies vegetable milk as a substitute for breastfeeding or formula.