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While iOS upgrades are usually free these days, it hasn't always been like this. According to wikipedia, iOS 1.1.3 was a paid upgrade on iPod Touches (while being a free upgrade for iPhones).

iOS updates have always been free. There's no such thing as iOS 1.1.3, only iPhoneOS 1.1.3.

No they are right. Due to some sort of accounting thing once upon a time on some of the first iPod touches there would be a small fee to upgrade the OS.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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Think carefully before upgrade. You can't downgrade after you upgraded and new upgrades are known to significantly slow down old devices. My iPhone 4S became unusable after iOS 7 and it's almost bricked with iOS 9. This is Apple way to force users to buy new phones. That said, they force developers to discontinue support for old iOS versions, so if you don't upgrade, you'll stuck with old apps and some might stop wor…

Apple occasionally release upgrades which the hardware really isn't capable of supporting. I think the worst example was the iPhone 4, which was given the iOS 7 upgrade. iOS 7 was basically only suitable for multi-core capable devices, and the iPhone 4 was the only device it was released on (the same generation iPod and iPad didn't get the update).

Apple tries really damn hard to make their stuff run well on all devices and it's very impressive how well they support them.

But if your device is a few years old… You're right that you may want to wait and see what the reviews say. Sometimes the updates actually make the phone feel faster, but sometimes (like iOS 7 with all the new transparency effects) it definitely can be a worse experience.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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I really like Apples pro-privacy stance, in contrary to Google & Microsoft. Hopefully sometime soon Apple will also encrypt iCloud contents so data from non-american people (europe in my case) is protected against the US government prying eyes. Our data/privacy seems pretty well protected inside Europe, but in America we seem to have 0 privacy rights (America first...!)

> I really like Apples pro-privacy stance, in contrary to Google & Microsoft. Location privacy controls and more have been in Windows since Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8. https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10-location-and-... https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/13225-turn-off-location-...

That might be true, however... https://privacytoolsio.github.io/privacytools.io/#win10

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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I really like Apples pro-privacy stance, in contrary to Google & Microsoft. Hopefully sometime soon Apple will also encrypt iCloud contents so data from non-american people (europe in my case) is protected against the US government prying eyes. Our data/privacy seems pretty well protected inside Europe, but in America we seem to have 0 privacy rights (America first...!)

> I really like Apples pro-privacy stance, in contrary to Google & Microsoft. Location privacy controls and more have been in Windows since Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8. https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10-location-and-... https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/13225-turn-off-location-...

It is not just about the controls existing but also what the default settings are.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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post #75

I really like Apples pro-privacy stance, in contrary to Google & Microsoft. Hopefully sometime soon Apple will also encrypt iCloud contents so data from non-american people (europe in my case) is protected against the US government prying eyes. Our data/privacy seems pretty well protected inside Europe, but in America we seem to have 0 privacy rights (America first...!)

Most of iCloud is encrypted at rest. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

I think that's not true, note this line in the doc you link to:

"...and never provides encryption keys to any third parties".

The data might be stored encrypted, but Apple seems to have access to the encryption keys. I've read that they need to be able to decrypt data to be able to comply with government requests.

I'm not sure if this is still the case now in 2017, but i assume so, until i read otherwise :)

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/16/apple-to-double-down-ic...

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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post #31

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I am not completely sure I understand what you want to accomplish, but I think you might find Moves ( https://moves-app.com/ ) useful.

> That being said, I refuse to share it with scummy companies [...] Moves is owned by Facebook (one has to decide for themselves about FB's scummyness).

Wow, I did not realize Moves was owned by Facebook. Guess I'll be deleting that app...

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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post #75

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Most of iCloud is encrypted at rest. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

I think that's not true, note this line in the doc you link to: "...and never provides encryption keys to any third parties". The data might be stored encrypted, but Apple seems to have access to the encryption keys. I've read that they need to be able to decrypt data to be able to comply with government requests. I'm not sure if this is still the case now in 2017, but i assume so, until i read otherwise :) https://w…

> but Apple seems to have access to the encryption keys

Of course, no one claimed that iCould data was E2E. They also need to decrypt the data in order to serve it to their users.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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Interesting omission of iMessage here... since it's not encrypted at rest on their servers.

^ I am implying that they are storing iMessages unencrypted. The iMessages on iPhones/iPads are part of the 'backup' for each device and they are not encrypted at rest on the iCloud server.

You sound very sure of this, what's your source?

As far as I've read, the iCloud backups have always been encrypted at rest, and Apple is apparently working on improving it to the point where they do not hold any decryption keys to the backups [0].

That's why, when you set up a new device, up until now it would not have your message history - because the message history can only be decrypted on devices that are already-authorized. If you restore a backup in its entirety, that includes the message log and the encryption key, but if you set up the device as "new", you only get the newly received messages - since it needs your password to decrypt the backup, it had no way to decrypt the message history from backup on the cloud and only sync that down to the new device (which always bothered me in terms of convenience). I think they're working on improving the usability of it in upcoming releases though.

[0] https://9to5mac.com/2016/02/25/apple-working-on-stronger-icl...

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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post #137

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I think that's not true, note this line in the doc you link to: "...and never provides encryption keys to any third parties". The data might be stored encrypted, but Apple seems to have access to the encryption keys. I've read that they need to be able to decrypt data to be able to comply with government requests. I'm not sure if this is still the case now in 2017, but i assume so, until i read otherwise :) https://w…

> but Apple seems to have access to the encryption keys Of course, no one claimed that iCould data was E2E. They also need to decrypt the data in order to serve it to their users.

> They also need to decrypt the data in order to serve it to their users.

That's the point, they don't (and shouldn't) need to. As Apple itself says in the above linked article:

"Apple is working to further harden iCloud security so that even it won't be able to access user information stored on its data servers"

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

#140
post #58

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To put it into context - the iPhone 5 was in competition with the Galaxy S III and Galaxy Nexus at launch.

And my Galaxy Nexus stopped receiving updates 2-3 years ago despite it being a Google device (mine was also straight from the Google store, so it wasn't the carrier's fault).

Cyanogenmod supported the Galaxy Nexus until 13.0 which is Android 6.0.1. So Google just dropped support after 4.3 (coincidentally the last unsupported version) even though it was absolutely possible to update to newer versions of Android. As a result the Galaxy Nexus doesn't receive security updates from Google and is thus not usable as an online device.
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