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Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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Android 1.0 had this via ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION, unfortunately Android only recently got runtime permissions.

Apple still has it: https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Pe...

Right, but this is at developer discretion. I always want to see user-level control for privacy-enhancing features.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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Screw any app that really thinks it needs my precise coordinates in the foreground, let alone the background. Turn-by-turn directions in maps is the only exception I've found in 10 years of iPhone use.

Apple's API don't discriminate with regards to precision. An app that shows nearby stores with a 1km radius precision requires the same level of permissions as an app that's trying to do 1m precision.

That's a good point. Maybe app developers should be able to request the level of access they want, like precise location, neighborhood (postal code), city, state or country.

If an app never needs more precise information than the country (say Spotify trying to decide whether they operate in your country), they don't need to request it. That also guards against bugs or security breaches in apps that try to do the right thing.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

#83
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android 1.0 had this via ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION, unfortunately Android only recently got runtime permissions.

Apple still has it: https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Pe...

No, you don't get to grant or deny access to a particular granularity of location, which Android has.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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Do apps still have access to location history data? If so this is a nothingburger.

In iOS 10 Settings > Privacy > Location, under the "Location Services & Privacy link, it says: "Your iPhone will keep track of places you have recently been, as well as how often and when you visited them, in order to learn places that are significant to you. This data is kept solely on your device and will not be sent to Apple without your consent. It will be used to provide you with personalized services, such as predictive traffic routing." This is consistent with Apple's philosophy of keeping personal data processing on-device as much as possible to protect user privacy. You can always keep the frequent locations feature turned off, or use "Clear History..."

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

#85

I really like Apples pro-privacy stance, in contrary to Google & Microsoft. Hopefully sometime soon Apple will also encrypt iCloud contents so data from non-american people (europe in my case) is protected against the US government prying eyes. Our data/privacy seems pretty well protected inside Europe, but in America we seem to have 0 privacy rights (America first...!)

>Hopefully sometime soon Apple will also encrypt iCloud contents so data from non-american people (europe in my case) is protected against the US government prying eyes. Also not American myself, but I think legally it should be quite the opposite: NSA and CIA can "legally" spy non-US citizens. It is illegal for them to spy US citizens.

Why do you think the government should be able to spy on non-US citizens using services from US companies?

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

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I wish there was a way to make apps only able to do anything when I use them and nothing when I don't use them.

I believe there is. Simply go to Settings and turn off Background App Refresh for that app.

Yes, turning Background App Refresh off goes a long way toward achieving this (and saving battery). Even with Background App Refresh turned off though, some activities may continue, particularly Location, audio, voice, and the like [https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/iP...]. This is why it's Location "While Using" is important. It also looks from OP's comment [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14502423] that (some of?) these features will be more prominently displayed to users. This is good, users should have complete knowledge and control of their devices, particularly as it affects privacy.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

#88

I hope this comes to Android. I always thought it worked like this until someone showed me: https://www.google.com/maps/timeline?pb I see way more locations and rides than I actually navigated to with Maps. For most of the time, it is just installed. I now manually disable all location services.

There is a specific option to let them do that. It's accessible both from your phone and web browser. It appears on the very first page of it, that you linked to, at the bottom, "pause location history", in a big box the same size as the other major points, it's even listed before the list of your known "common locations" such as home and work.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be opt in rather than opt out, it should, but that's still a far way away from hiding it from the user.

PS: I'm a very big user of permanent location history and it's a feature I enjoy, I would actually like to make it more granular / precise with more regular updating of my position if possible.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

#89

Fantastic. Screw Uber for only having the option to always use or never use.

How can Uber do this when the OS doesn't have permission at this granularity?

iOS currently has both "Aways" and "Only While Using" options, but the developer specifies which are available to the user. iOS 11 now forces the "Only While Using" option to be available for all location using apps.

Re: iOS 11 Location Privacy: "Only While Using" is now always an option for users

#90

Fantastic. Screw Uber for only having the option to always use or never use.

How can Uber do this when the OS doesn't have permission at this granularity?

iOS has had the permission at that granularity since iOS 8.

https://www.imore.com/how-only-allow-apps-see-your-location-...

> Keep in mind that some apps may not show all three options. This is most likely because the developer has not yet implemented the while using this app option.

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