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Does it make having "Uber" in your Career Profile look bad now? Even if someone wants to genuinely switch job within next few month out of Uber, It would raise eyebrows at next interview table. So Uber gonna have very mall attrition rate now. Every action has both side of coin. :)
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For what it's worth, "prevent them from earning a living in their chosen career" is not the same as "ostracize them from all society." A person who has been cut from a grad school program for rampant academic honor code violations can be a perfectly-functional member of society, and if no school wants to trust them as a teacher, that's not the fault of the schools. Personally, I don't have a high opinion of the tech…
Part of the problem is it is difficult to determine if someone has been fired for cause, or because they are a scape goat, or if they just weren't liked by management, or many other reasons
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That's a great question! I can't speak for everyone, but personally I don't think asking another adult if they want to have sex with you is morally wrong, even in the workplace. I think Americans are way too sensitive when it comes to sexuality. They repress it way too much. For reference, here is the accusation from the blog post: On my first official day rotating on the team, my new manager sent me a string of mess…
I have at least some sympathy with the point you're trying to make here. I think you are essentially saying that we've all gone a bit soft, and that the modern workplace is full of a bunch of crybabies that can't solve any problem on their own without escalating it to HR. And this problem becomes particularly egregious when that escalation turns into a dark mark on that person's "permanent record", as it tends to do…
I disagree with the idea that we should bully, and ostracize people from society for making mistakes or simply not being able to interact socially with others as well as we all want.
That doesn't fix anything it only makes things worse.
We should be focusing on teaching, and embracing that people make mistakes and working on fixing those issues, if someone refuses to acknowledge that when it is seriously risking the safety of those around them, that is when it becomes a problem that should be handled with grace.
I am heavily against this group ostracizing, demeaning, and bullying tactic. It is getting disgusting, you can see it constantly on twitter, and it is starting to float onto hacker news.
Why are the vocal hacker news commenters against segregated groups? For instance, what would be the issue with places that have selective hiring for individuals that meet their cultural composition and why does that bother you specifically?
Isn't that the case in every location?
In this case, there was harassment, however generally it is understood that "birds of a feather flock together" so wouldn't it make sense to simply find your flock rather than trying to force yourself to mold to someone else's?
I am genuinely curious about this as it seems to be a rising trend where the vocal minority want to enforce their idea of culture and beliefs onto others as if it were a religious or cult like movement that I have seen before in Christian groups.
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Not that I really agree with parent but Uber has 12,000+ employees so 20 people is, what, 0.16% of their workforce at most? There are a lot of stories about Uber's culture and conduct so I honestly expected a lot more especially since culture issues usually run very deep and touch quite a lot of people. But who knows, maybe it's the correct amount of people. But I can sorta understand it coming off as almost symbolic…
To be serious enough for immediate firing its a hell of a lot - this is with my industrial relations hat on BTW.
Though I'm sure it's a likely good assumption that it was immediate.
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Nah, profiling is no good. Probably a better idea to work on a solid recruiting process that can shake out practitioners of bad behavior from the candidate pool. Then you can handle it and more.
> "Probably a better idea to work on a solid recruiting process that can shake out practitioners of bad behavior from the candidate pool." I agree in principle - but how do you suggest this be done? It's not as if harassers are going to cop to it in an interview. I: "Have you sexually harassed your colleagues at previous jobs?" C: "Oh yeah, sure, yep, I'll show myself out now." Nor are companies permitted to answer w…
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I don't see how it's productive to put a scarlet letter on someone simply based on where he or she used to work as "third engineer from the left." Maybe one day the place where you currently happen to work will earn some kind of tarnished reputation--should your career suffer because of it? Should you have to quit out of fear of being put on a blacklist, putting your livelihood at risk?
The crucial part here is the nature of the reputation. We're not talking about some shady dealings of the upper management, that individual employees may or may not have been aware of. We're talking about employee culture inside the company - something that is, by definition, exposed to and shaped by employees. Given the magnitude of the problem in Uber, on the basis of reports we've seen so far, on the balance of pr…
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> "Probably a better idea to work on a solid recruiting process that can shake out practitioners of bad behavior from the candidate pool." I agree in principle - but how do you suggest this be done? It's not as if harassers are going to cop to it in an interview. I: "Have you sexually harassed your colleagues at previous jobs?" C: "Oh yeah, sure, yep, I'll show myself out now." Nor are companies permitted to answer w…
Not being someone who harasses others at work, I don't know if this would work. But if your company had a reputation of taking that kind of thing seriously, wouldn't it mean that those bad actors would be less likely to apply at your company?
Controversial opinion here... Why are the vocal hacker news commenters against segregated groups? For instance, what would be the issue with places that have selective hiring for individuals that meet their cultural composition and why does that bother you specifically? Isn't that the case in every location? In this case, there was harassment, however generally it is understood that "birds of a feather flock together…
Or are you suggesting that someone who has been harassed should leave their employer and not complain about it, because the company should be free to sexually harass as much as it wants? Or both?
Controversial opinion here... Why are the vocal hacker news commenters against segregated groups? For instance, what would be the issue with places that have selective hiring for individuals that meet their cultural composition and why does that bother you specifically? Isn't that the case in every location? In this case, there was harassment, however generally it is understood that "birds of a feather flock together…
It seems to me that in this particular case, it's not a matter of "enforcing their idea of culture and beliefs onto others", but just enforcing the law.