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Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by [deleted] »

williamtrask wrote: post #8
williamtrask wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So part of what makes this work is that it's not an index. As opposed to doing general storage of people's data, this restricts a surveillance operation to only be able to identify specific concepts.

that's strange, i would have assumed that they would be averse to a tool that doesn't give them un-restricted access to the data. right now, the dialogue is "privacy vs security... take your pick" but this breaks that rhetoric... showing that it's a false choice.

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Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by williamtrask »

williamtrask wrote: post #8
williamtrask wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So part of what makes this work is that it's not an index. As opposed to doing general storage of people's data, this restricts a surveillance operation to only be able to identify specific concepts.

that's strange, i would have assumed that they would be averse to a tool that doesn't give them un-restricted access to the data. right now, the dialogue is "privacy vs security... take your pick" but this breaks that rhetoric... showing that it's a false choice.

Far from it, this tool prevents the need for us to give up our privacy. (not sure why HN isn't giving me a "reply" button to your posts)

Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by williamtrask »

sambull wrote: post #13

"A positive prediction should launch an investigation, not put someone behind bars directly." That is the scariest thing I've read. All we need is a black box to investigate people at anytime.

There are already thousands of black boxes. Consider satellite photography, malware detectors, fire alarms, sniffing dogs, credit fraud detectors. All of these are tools ("black boxes") used to launch investigations. The future of crime fighting is impossible without tools like these as criminals become more sophisticated.

The real question is who owns them and are they audit-able? This blogpost is about making neural networks used for these purposes auditable by a third party without making them vulnerable to evasion by criminals.

Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by pc2g4d »

jsonderulio wrote: post #6
williamtrask wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So part of what makes this work is that it's not an index. As opposed to doing general storage of people's data, this restricts a surveillance operation to only be able to identify specific concepts.

The software itself would have access to the index. So it would still exist. Keep in mind the extents governments and other private enterprise would go to get their hands on this. You will have created a clean super-weapon. Or 'the dark mark' for those biblical folk out there. Can you imagine what that would do to your life as well? Even if you couldn't access the information. Half the governments of the world would…

"the dark mark"

I think that's from Harry Potter, not the bible. Maybe you meant the mark of the beast?

Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by liamcardenas »

I like this, but I would argue that predicting crime isn't the core problem that law enforcement has today. The real issue is the incentive structure that disincentivizes crime prevention.

That sad truth is that police bear no cost when they fail to prevent crime and, in fact, get more funding and power if crime goes up.

Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by zappo2938 »

liamcardenas wrote: post #16

I like this, but I would argue that predicting crime isn't the core problem that law enforcement has today. The real issue is the incentive structure that disincentivizes crime prevention. That sad truth is that police bear no cost when they fail to prevent crime and, in fact, get more funding and power if crime goes up.

>> The sad truth is that teachers bear no cost when they fail to teach a student.

Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by TTPrograms »

The number of people killed by terrorism in developed countries per year is, what, a hundredth of those killed in car accidents? A tenth of those shot in Chicago alone?

http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrori...

Terrorists have to kill literally hundreds of times more people per year for it to justify even the meagerest response. And one may argue about the economic impacts, but that's just a reflection of this underlying irrationality. If we had media focusing on "Keep Calm and Carry On" like Israel does now or Britain did in WWII it would have a much smaller economic impact - and terrorists would stop doing it, since it would be less effective at achieving the subgoal of "terror".

So this post is really begging the question IMO.

Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by liamcardenas »

zappo2938 wrote: post #17
liamcardenas wrote: post #16

I like this, but I would argue that predicting crime isn't the core problem that law enforcement has today. The real issue is the incentive structure that disincentivizes crime prevention. That sad truth is that police bear no cost when they fail to prevent crime and, in fact, get more funding and power if crime goes up.

>> The sad truth is that teachers bear no cost when they fail to teach a student.

In public schools, this is often the case. In private schools, bad education will lead to a loss of profit. If you think this doesn't apply to teachers, you must've never been in a bad public school

Re: Safe Crime Prediction: Encrypted Deep Learning for Less Intrusive Surveillance

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Post by petre »

TTPrograms wrote: post #18

The number of people killed by terrorism in developed countries per year is, what, a hundredth of those killed in car accidents? A tenth of those shot in Chicago alone? http://www.businessinsider.com/death-risk-statistics-terrori... Terrorists have to kill literally hundreds of times more people per year for it to justify even the meagerest response. And one may argue about the economic impacts, but that's just a ref…

If the media wouldn't cover terrorism it would probably go away by itself. Israel is probably the only country dealing with it effectively.
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