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Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>manage How do they manage the rides? I thought it was handled by the app?

Someone has to write the app and maintain the backend.

You should be able to do both with far fewer than 12,000 people. I suspect that the bulk of those people are doing something else.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Feels somewhat symbolic at this point. The massively corrupt shop decides to fire a bunch of people who max out the acceptable level of corruption. Even how they hired Holder feels like a PR tactic; a man who was against all the US torture techniques ( http://fightthefuture.org/articles/the-rescue-of-eric-holder... ) and yet prosecuted no one. He is the image of a career, PR frontman. I'm still going to take Lyft ove…

Yes, it seems very political that they chose EH. Most people see his name, and think "oh if they hired him, they must be trying to do the RIGHT thing".

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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The article doesn't discuss the seniority of the fired employees. It's very hard to distinguish between scapegoating and actually working to fix the problem without that information. The problem with Uber isn't that some employees engage in sexual harassment. The problem is that there's a culture where sexual harassment isn't taken seriously, is tolerated if the perpetrators are "high performing" in other respects, a…

>The problem is that there's a culture where sexual harassment isn't taken seriously Is there? I've seen people claim this but I haven't seen any evidence for it. I know Susan Fowler's account is used frequently as basis for that statement and though I don't doubt her sincerity and truthfulness, you can't just extrapolate her experience to the entire (global) company.

> Is there? I've seen people claim this but I haven't seen any evidence for it.

As another point of evidence, they just fired 20 people for sexual harassment to address 215 separate claims before the separate outside report into the amount of sexual harassment in their company. Maybe they don't deserve your skepticism.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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I wonder if events like this turn Uber employees who leave around this time into a market of lemons. Obviously nobody will put on their resume that they were fired for sexual harassment so hiring managers will have to wonder if a person who left Uber recently was fed up or fired. Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage.

>Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage.

Jesus. They are still people. You want to ostracize them from all society and prevent them from earning a living in their chosen career?

'Sexual harassment' is also a catch-all term that can encompass all kinds of actions. It could involve a clueless, inexperienced 20-something asking out his co-worker and misreading her signals - fuck that guy right? Throw him out of society and forget him forever, right?

And I have yet to see any evidence for this "toxic sexist" atmosphere that apparently is part of the Uber culture. This isn't it. 20 people were fired out of 12,000.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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The article doesn't discuss the seniority of the fired employees. It's very hard to distinguish between scapegoating and actually working to fix the problem without that information. The problem with Uber isn't that some employees engage in sexual harassment. The problem is that there's a culture where sexual harassment isn't taken seriously, is tolerated if the perpetrators are "high performing" in other respects, a…

>The problem is that there's a culture where sexual harassment isn't taken seriously Is there? I've seen people claim this but I haven't seen any evidence for it. I know Susan Fowler's account is used frequently as basis for that statement and though I don't doubt her sincerity and truthfulness, you can't just extrapolate her experience to the entire (global) company.

I mean... a quick google search will get you there.

[0] Travis calls Uber "Boob-er" because it helps him (and other execs) pick up women

[1] Sexual Harassment + Heavy drug use at the global all-hands

[2] Company group, including CEO, visits escort bar in Seoul

[3] More "survivor" stories

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[0] http://www.gq.com/story/uber-cab-confessions?currentPage=1

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/technology/uber-workplace...

[2] http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/27/uber-employees-visit-karaoke-...

[3] https://medium.com/@amyvertino/my-name-is-not-amy-i-am-an-ub...

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Does it make having "Uber" in your Career Profile look bad now? Even if someone wants to genuinely switch job within next few month out of Uber, It would raise eyebrows at next interview table. So Uber gonna have very mall attrition rate now. Every action has both side of coin. :)

Depending on where you are, it already has been. I recruited a friend recently who worked for Uber two jobs ago , and got objections at multiple levels (pulled them through because I knew they left Uber originally due to ethical objections and could speak to that directly). At this point having it in your job history needs to be addressed in your e-mail/cover letter.

>I recruited a friend recently who worked for Uber two jobs ago, and got objections at multiple levels

So Silicon Valley has a sexual harassment problem and a prejudice problem?

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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post #30
post #13

The article contains so little information (that isn't already revealed in the nicely succinct headline) that clicking through is almost certainly not worth your time.

Here's Recode's version, which is just as slim as Bloomberg's: https://www.recode.net/2017/6/6/15747446/uber-fires-20-emplo... However, Recode notes that Bloomberg was the first to report this info. So, the OP is the best that we have so far until the Holder report is released.

Mike Isaac (who's broken a number of Uber stories lately) was tweeting about it -- apparently they're announcing the firings at an all-hands meeting right now. I expect we'll know more in an hour or two.

https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/872147778461421568

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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post #7

I wonder if events like this turn Uber employees who leave around this time into a market of lemons. Obviously nobody will put on their resume that they were fired for sexual harassment so hiring managers will have to wonder if a person who left Uber recently was fed up or fired. Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage.

>Seems risky to hire a recent Uber employee at this point because bringing a toxic sexist into the company can inflict massive damage. Jesus. They are still people. You want to ostracize them from all society and prevent them from earning a living in their chosen career? 'Sexual harassment' is also a catch-all term that can encompass all kinds of actions. It could involve a clueless, inexperienced 20-something asking…

I have independently verified Susan Fowler's claim that her management chain didn't treat her case seriously. And by that I mean with a member of her management chain.

If an entire chain of management and HR don't treat a claim like that seriously (no one has disputed the claim), there is absolutely a cultural problem.

Re: Uber Fires More Than 20 Employees in Harassment Probe

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Does it make having "Uber" in your Career Profile look bad now? Even if someone wants to genuinely switch job within next few month out of Uber, It would raise eyebrows at next interview table. So Uber gonna have very mall attrition rate now. Every action has both side of coin. :)

I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. This is a thing and I know people turning down Uber recruiters because they don't want to be associated with Uber's wrongdoings and questionable morals.
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