Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak? • Hacker News Board

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by rmxt » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:47 PM UTC

vultour wrote: post #55

rmxt wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Says the person linking to "informationliberation dot com". Pot, meet kettle. Sure her twitter profile is highly politically charged and should likely have made her unfit for clearance, but citing that as evidence that she should be institutionalized is ridiculous. She'd likely say the same about you given your proclivity for "informationliberation". Where does that leave us for discourse?

He never said he was fit for a top secret clearance. Her Twitter profile should've been an instant disqualification from any sort of security clearance.

Nor did I say that the poster here was fit or unfit. I speculated about what two extreme opinion holders would say to one another.

My point was that polarizing the discourse and reducing the other side to "just came out of the psych ward" does absolutely nothing to further reasonable arguments.

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by mythrwy » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:48 PM UTC

vultour wrote: post #59

21 wrote: post #52

Off topic, her name is "Reality (Leigh) Winner"? Is this a new trend? Can you name your child with any surname you wish? For example "Tower John Trump".

Personally I think that seeing a name like "Reality Winner" on a CV would immediately make me question the entire family's fitness to exist in society.

I read somewhere her original name was Sarah. She changed it herself.

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by CogitoCogito » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:51 PM UTC

amazingman wrote: post #73

CogitoCogito wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it certainly is. The Intercept should have taken such precautions, but it's not very smart to assume that they always will take those precautions. If you want to be safe as the leaker, you'll have to either do that sort of thing yourself or communicate with The Intercept to make sure they will. Point is that you cannot really control how much caution third parties will take with your documents. But like I said, t…

Blaming the leaker is failing the argument.

I'm not really sure what argument is failing. I'm certainly blaming the leaker for using bad opsec (sent emails to The Intercept using a work computer). I'm also certainly blaming The Intercept for using bad opsec. I'm also pointing out that the government has every incentive to act like it was The Intercept's bad opsec that allowed them to find the leaker even if they, for example, found who it was by just looking at access logs for the document.

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by nostromo » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:53 PM UTC

tanderson92 wrote: post #5

Have we learned nothing about the NSA's tactics? The Intercept publishes reporting that they would rather not have been printed, and the very day the DOJ unseals charges where they try to say they learned about the leak from a paper crease from what can be reasonably inferred to be The Intercept. Meanwhile the alleged leaker allegedly used her work computer to contact The Intercept (in contradiction with their recomm…

People shouldn't necessarily trust the Washington Post either, who is beholden to their sources in the NSA.

The Washington Post covered Snowden's leaks of unconstitutional actions by the NSA, won a Pulitzer Prize for the coverage, only to then stab him in the back and call for his prosecution.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/edward-snowden-doesn...

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by braderhart » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:54 PM UTC

chakalakasp wrote: post #61

braderhart wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are a whistleblower and feel that the public legitimately needs to know about something, because afterall this election affects our daily lives. We deserve to to know the truth about threats to democracy, especially when Presidential candidates are still claiming that voter data was rigged. Didn't Trump blame Hillary for him losing the popular vote, saying that it was her fault for hacking the election?

What are you replying to? It can't be my comment.

I'm suggesting, maybe it wasn't ignorant. I can think of a few examples of where I'd want to be transparent in my actions. Seems like as a whistle-blower you should be as transparent as possible. I think it is time that we see the Russian evidence though. A bunch of techies deserve to disseminate if it is legitimate. Afterall, WikiLeaks has been doing nothing but providing verifiable evidence.

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by lubesGordi » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:54 PM UTC

I'm not clear on what the motivation for this 'leak' would be. Is it morally reprehensible for the NSA to withhold this information from the public? Was the NSA doing something illegal by withholding this info? If the only actionable information leaked is politically charged or simply falling within the established/mass media narrative, is it wrong to suspect this 'leak' is disinformation?

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by pcnix » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:55 PM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #84

tanderson92 wrote: post #5

Have we learned nothing about the NSA's tactics? The Intercept publishes reporting that they would rather not have been printed, and the very day the DOJ unseals charges where they try to say they learned about the leak from a paper crease from what can be reasonably inferred to be The Intercept. Meanwhile the alleged leaker allegedly used her work computer to contact The Intercept (in contradiction with their recomm…

People shouldn't necessarily trust the Washington Post either, who is beholden to their sources in the NSA. The Washington Post covered Snowden's leaks of unconstitutional actions by the NSA, won a Pulitzer Prize for the coverage, only to then stab him in the back and call for his prosecution. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/edward-snowden-doesn...

You can use the leaks and still be critical of the way it was done.

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by rayiner » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:57 PM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #84

tanderson92 wrote: post #5

Have we learned nothing about the NSA's tactics? The Intercept publishes reporting that they would rather not have been printed, and the very day the DOJ unseals charges where they try to say they learned about the leak from a paper crease from what can be reasonably inferred to be The Intercept. Meanwhile the alleged leaker allegedly used her work computer to contact The Intercept (in contradiction with their recomm…

People shouldn't necessarily trust the Washington Post either, who is beholden to their sources in the NSA. The Washington Post covered Snowden's leaks of unconstitutional actions by the NSA, won a Pulitzer Prize for the coverage, only to then stab him in the back and call for his prosecution. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/edward-snowden-doesn...

WaPo is the WSJ of D.C. They know which side their bread is buttered on.

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by braderhart » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:59 PM UTC

tanderson92 wrote: post #5

Have we learned nothing about the NSA's tactics? The Intercept publishes reporting that they would rather not have been printed, and the very day the DOJ unseals charges where they try to say they learned about the leak from a paper crease from what can be reasonably inferred to be The Intercept. Meanwhile the alleged leaker allegedly used her work computer to contact The Intercept (in contradiction with their recomm…

Seriously seems like this was a whistleblower with a legitimate concern for the American people. Maybe she was careless on purpose. If you know you are going to get caught, might as well make your trail obvious so that you can claim that you are a whistleblower.

Re: Did the Intercept bungle the NSA leak?

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Post by braderhart » Tue, Jun 06, 2017, 5:59 PM UTC

tanderson92 wrote: post #5

Have we learned nothing about the NSA's tactics? The Intercept publishes reporting that they would rather not have been printed, and the very day the DOJ unseals charges where they try to say they learned about the leak from a paper crease from what can be reasonably inferred to be The Intercept. Meanwhile the alleged leaker allegedly used her work computer to contact The Intercept (in contradiction with their recomm…

Seriously seems like this was a whistleblower with a legitimate concern for the American people. Maybe she was careless on purpose. If you know you are going to get caught, might as well make your trail obvious so that you can claim that you are a whistleblower.