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Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

spike021 wrote: post #250
tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #226

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I think this is devilish clever by Apple. If you see a space gray iMac you know this guy shelled out a lot of money and means business. Apple made the iMac Pro an even greater status symbol than the iMac already is.

>If you see a space gray iMac [...] I'm not sure how that matters? This iMac in most cases won't be portable, so the only people who see it will be the ones using it or at least working with those who do. You sort of make it sound equivalent to the old thing about how Macbooks had lit-up Apple logos on the shell and people would know "oh this person spent thousands on their Apple laptop..." But I don't think it's the…

a) People have meetings with clients in their offices.

b) Big execs want to have the best and show it off to staff as well

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Post by galfarragem »

slg wrote: post #56
tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

That is just confusing. There will be a modular Mac Pro that is totally different from this iMac Pro? That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

> That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

CG artists, graphic workers and everyone that require a fast computer with a great screen but is not interested in being an hardware hobbyist. There's life beyond HN.

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Post by delish »

bitwize wrote: post #235
FireBeyond wrote: post #208

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"From $4999".

Machrone's Law, still in effect!

I googled "machrone's law" and found this:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1545383,00.asp

Fun article from 2004! Article subheading:

> Get used to the idea of a terabyte-plus server in your home. It's closer than you think.

:)

And Machrone's law is: the machine you want will always cost $5,000.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by [deleted] »

delish wrote: post #263
bitwize wrote: post #235

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Machrone's Law, still in effect!

I googled "machrone's law" and found this: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1545383,00.asp Fun article from 2004! Article subheading: > Get used to the idea of a terabyte-plus server in your home. It's closer than you think. :) And Machrone's law is: the machine you want will always cost $5,000.

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by giobox »

dmix wrote: post #210
asenna wrote: post #189

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I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/

My concern with this type of set-up is not neccessarily getting it working initially. Clearly you did you research and found parts that were supported. My concern is upgrading. For people with hackintosh experience what has the longevity experience been like? Do things break each major upgrade? Are things slow moving to get to the latest version? I'm worried it might be like Linux desktop back in the day. I've found…

I've been lucky in that my Hackintosh's working 'uptime' has been pretty great over the past 3 years. That said, I've had a couple of OS updates putting my desktop out of commission for a day or two - I would never consider it for a work machine.

With today's MacBook upgrades, I've ordered a 'real' Mac and reverted my desktop tower back to Windows gaming box duties - the 'fun' of hackintoshing quickly fades once you've done it for a few years and just want to know your computer is always going to boot when you press the power button, especially if like me you use OS X 99% of the time.

Maybe I'm just stupid, but as far as I'm concerned folks with hackintoshes who haven't had a boot breaking issue occur are either lucky, or it has yet to happen to them. I deliberately built the most 'golden' of mainstream hackintosh builds (close to identical to the Dan Benjamin one folks are linking here), no custom kexts, used Clover, still had the occasional issue.

Given Apple are moving to ever more intertwine custom hardware into Macs (touchbar, touch id, secure enclave etc), I think the future of hackintoshing is probably going to be harder than it is today.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by dbg31415 »

floatboth wrote: post #223
dbg31415 wrote: post #176

Wait wait wait... the last thing I want as a "Pro" is a single monitor. Feels like Apple is just repeatedly telling me to go somewhere else.

They showed TWO external 5K displays, so up to three 5K monitors total

They won't line up cleanly. I'm left with a desk that looks all cobbled together.

This is another "pro" in name-only machine I suspect. The fact that it's an all-in-one implies to me that I can't upgrade any part of it.

I don't want an all-in-one... I want a computer, with upgradable parts, and at least two monitors that match -- preferably the can use the same stand.

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Post by squaredpants »

floatboth wrote: post #220
modeless wrote: post #97

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Optimism would be warranted if they announced Vulkan, OpenGL 4.5 and a commitment to update their product line with new internal GPUs more frequently and at reasonable prices. Thunderbolt 3 has less than half the bandwidth of PCI Express 3.0 x16 so that's a lame solution for GPU upgradability.

GPUs don't really use the whole 3.0 x16 bandwidth, x8 is enough. It is sad that they didn't drop Metal in favor of Vulkan, yeah.

I think some do now... And even if they do not, they will in the near future!

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Post by fliptables »

saurik wrote: post #221
andreasley wrote: post #144

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It's for people like me. I need something with more power than my current "classic" Mac Pro, preferably with fewer cables and more energy efficient. 2 SSD slots are sufficient for my internal storage needs, especially considering the Nbase-T Ethernet port. Vega-based graphics should be able to properly run the 5K display for the next few years. I've swapped out a lot of parts in my old Mac Pro, but at this point, I'd…

The thing I can't wrap my head around though is that that display is a very real amount of the cost of that device and will almost certainly still be a great display in five years or even longer, while the "pro" computer is going to be horribly out of date. The idea of purchasing a monitor attached to a computer seems like throwing money into the trash.

If my iMac purchased in 2012 is anything to go by, it'll still be great in 5 years and only the GPU will really feel its age.

But then if you're a pro user who buys the thing to make money with, it's probably more tax-effective to keep it 3 or so years then buy something new

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Post by dplgk »

dmix wrote: post #210
asenna wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just built a powerful Hackintosh for about $1.5k with Sierra. Was worried about how stable it would be and took good care of researching all the parts that were verified by the community[1]. It's been going good for 3-4 months now. Took some effort to get it all setup but am very happy now. I use this for Video/Photo post-processing, web development mainly. [1] https://www.tonymacx86.com/

My concern with this type of set-up is not neccessarily getting it working initially. Clearly you did you research and found parts that were supported. My concern is upgrading. For people with hackintosh experience what has the longevity experience been like? Do things break each major upgrade? Are things slow moving to get to the latest version? I'm worried it might be like Linux desktop back in the day. I've found…

Upgrading is usually painless. You typically need to reinstall a driver (kext) or two after upgrading... The same ones you installed when first setting up the mac. So assuming you documented your setup, it's no problem.

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Post by fliptables »

old-gregg wrote: post #138

To all of you who're disappointed by this not being a "proper Pro": "4x larger L2 cache" and "2x wider AVX" suggest they're going to use the upcoming i9 X-series chips [1] that are based on Skylake design with ~15% better instructions-per-clock (IPC) performance than Broadwell-based Xeons, plus they'll clock much higher than Xeons too: with turbo boost up to 4.5Ghz for even the 10-core model!. Quad channel DDR4 at 26…

The Core i9 X-series chips are basically cut-down Skylake Xeons (the new "xeon gold" line, probably)
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