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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by Karunamon »

slg wrote: post #56
tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

That is just confusing. There will be a modular Mac Pro that is totally different from this iMac Pro? That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

How so? The iMac has always been the all-in-one device with laptopish internals. A bigscreen Macbook Pro basically.

That makes the targeting simple: People who want the power of a *pro series device but don't care much about the upgradeability beyond storage and memory.

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Post by ProblemFactory »

heliumcraft wrote: post #101
rbanffy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Dell Precision 7000 will set you back US$3000 at a configuration similar to the iMac Pro. Add a good 27" 5K display, PCI-based SSD and you are close to US$ 6000 with a GPU that's a generation behind. And it comes with Windows. Nobody deserves that.

Wait, but Dell Precision 7000 is a laptop? you can't compare with a desktop. I just built a good gaming PC that can be overclocked including a GTX 1080 for just $2300 (monitor excluded). I'm sure with $4700 more it's possible to get something still better than this new imac pro.. yet with a good cooling system and upgradable at any time. edit: $2300 INCLUDING 15% taxes

The Dell Precision brand and 3000/5000/7000 series numbers are used for both laptops and desktops.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by strictnein »

rgbrenner wrote: post #104
strictnein wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel is slashing their multicore processor prices in response to AMD. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Annou... Sure, you'll be looking at non-ECC, but other than that, you'll be crushing the new iMac Pro in price to performance.

I didn't downvote you.. but is Intel really dropping prices? I put a i7 7700k in my pc several months ago (days after Intel released it... before AMDs announcement IIRC), and it's the same price today as it was then.

I guess it would have been more accurate to say that they're slashing prices on their upcoming multicore i9 line:

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Annou...

$599 for an 8 core processor, for instance. Last model, the i7-6900K, would have been over $1k.

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Post by sz4kerto »

masklinn wrote: post #81
sz4kerto wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel has just priced it's 18-core i9-7900X at 2K.

You do realise Xeons are a completely different range with different price points right?

Yes, I have Xeons in my WS. The reason why many people ended up buying Xeons for the desktop is core count -- i7 had 6, then 8 cores until recently, so a 10-18 core workstation could only be built with Xeons. The other difference is ECC, which most of the people don't necessarily want (let's not talk about whether they need it or not).

If a developer/pro/etc. need 18 cores, most of the time they'll be OK with a top-end i7 -- I think. Therefore it is fair to compare Xeons with i7s, they're not the same but yes, they have overlapping target audience when it comes to desktops.

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Post by kilroy123 »

mpweiher wrote: post #8
mmastrac wrote: post #2

I’m disappointed they chose “pretty” over a “functional” metal box like the old Mac Pros. They ran into thermal issues with the fancy design of the trash can, despite their promises of cutting edge thermal design. These iMac Pros are probably going to be soldered-CPU, soldered-RAM beasts with low repairability. It's a bit of a small victory that they support external GPUs, but I think they are missing the boat here.

This is the stopgap. They said there'll be a real Pro in 2018.

Then why should anyone buy this one?

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Post by jjn2009 »

masklinn wrote: post #81
sz4kerto wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel has just priced it's 18-core i9-7900X at 2K.

You do realise Xeons are a completely different range with different price points right?

for all we know at this point the new intel lines are rebranded xeons (plus a few consumer features), the hastily put together response to AMD seems to suggest this.

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Post by heliumcraft »

rbanffy wrote: post #111
heliumcraft wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, but Dell Precision 7000 is a laptop? you can't compare with a desktop. I just built a good gaming PC that can be overclocked including a GTX 1080 for just $2300 (monitor excluded). I'm sure with $4700 more it's possible to get something still better than this new imac pro.. yet with a good cooling system and upgradable at any time. edit: $2300 INCLUDING 15% taxes

Sorry, the Precision 7000 is the "Fixed workstation". You'll probably can get something with higher performance, but it'll probably also take up more space, generate more heat and make more noise. It'll also demand more time to select the components and assemble it. If you enjoy doing it, OK. If you don't, your time is more expensive than the difference. I selected a Dell because I want a single phone number to call…

You're right about that, I installed 6 fans on the computer case alone and it can be noisy at times, but I'm happy with what I'm getting and I can upgrade later.

This is for desktop, for laptops I might still go with apple however.

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Post by coldtea »

colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

>This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing.

Of course it is. It's always damned if they do, damned if they don't.

>The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine.

Actually it was never supposed to be a Pro machine, all the way back to the very star (Bondi blue / flower power personal machines, the ones with the flexible neck, etc.).

It's just that at some point it got so powerful, and the pro line was neglected, so it was used as a pro machine too (and was good enough for most use cases, e.g. graphic designers).

>The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine.

Performance never suffered with the iMac line. It's the most consistently updated line of computers Apple has. The Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, Mini and Air were neglected for years, but not the iMac.

And this is not a response to "the iMac's use as a pro suffered because of its thinness". It's a response to "we fucked up the Mac Pro and we're throwing a bone to the Pro market, until 2018 will bring a redesigned Mac Pro".

>At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh.

Well, this is not a Hackintosh. This is the real thing. Even a sole 27" inch 5K screen like it has would take you back $2K in itself.

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

slg wrote: post #56
tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

That is just confusing. There will be a modular Mac Pro that is totally different from this iMac Pro? That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

Stop gap. There are some pros who need a very powerful machine, but Apple won't have the Mac Pro ready this year (see the link someone else posted to Daring Fireball).

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Post by aldanor »

strictnein wrote: post #85
sz4kerto wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel has just priced it's 18-core i9-7900X at 2K.

Not sure why people are burying you, because that's 100% accurate. 8 core for $600. 10 core for $1k, 18 core for $2k. With 12, 14, and 16 core increments available in-between. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Annou...

Because it's Xeons which is a different line.
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