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Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by bryanlarsen »

rayiner wrote: post #20
colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

If it's an 8-core Xeon, it's gotta be an E5. So the CPU alone could run $2,000 (pricing for E5 2667 v4, this probably uses an equivalent Skylake Xeon which isn't out yet).

For the previous Mac Pro, Intel sold Apple a processor that had some but not all Xeon features enabled, presumably for significantly less than the full Xeon price.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by spike021 »

slg wrote: post #56
tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

That is just confusing. There will be a modular Mac Pro that is totally different from this iMac Pro? That leaves me to wonder who exactly this iMac Pro is targeted at.

I'm sure there are still professionals who would prefer pre-packaged solutions. Sure, many prefer being able to continually upgrade and add to their setups as well.

Just a different kind of sub-market, I think.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by colept »

rbanffy wrote: post #40
colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

> and does not vent heat well enough They made it a point that the heat dissipation capacity is sufficient, 80% more than the non-pro iMac. edit: updated from the press-release.

I have used both a thick iMac and a thin one. I had to run the thick iMac's fans at full speed all the time or else my CPU would bottleneck.

The thin iMac had underpowered fans and constantly throttled.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by usaphp »

colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

> At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh

A 5k Monitor alone costs around $800-1000 and does not compare in quality to Apple displays, 8 core xeon + motherboard are another 800$, it's already around $1600-1800 - and its not taking SSD and Video card and Ram into account...

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by always_good »

shams93 wrote: post #11
sz4kerto wrote: post #4

I'm watching this iMac announcement and .. hm, I still find it underwhelming. The top-spec'd iMac will be less powerful (when it comes to CPU) in Jan/2018 than my current desktop I bought in mid-2015. We'll see the actual pricing though. I don't think that forcing high-perf components into a small desktop chassis makes a lot of sense, but it might me only me.

For starting at 5k the pricing requires a bank loan for most people when you could pick up a refurbished desktop for $300-400

I bought a suit from Goodwill for $50 in uni. Doesn't mean there isn't a market for more expensive suits.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by wnevets »

tomduncalf wrote: post #32

Gonna leave this here from the official press release as it seems quite a few people have missed this point: "In addition to the new iMac Pro, Apple is working on a completely redesigned, next-generation Mac Pro architected for pro customers who need the highest-end, high-throughput system in a modular design, as well as a new high-end pro display." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/imac-pro-most-powerfu... Also…

>Also, I want that black keyboard!

is this satire?

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by spike021 »

shams93 wrote: post #11
sz4kerto wrote: post #4

I'm watching this iMac announcement and .. hm, I still find it underwhelming. The top-spec'd iMac will be less powerful (when it comes to CPU) in Jan/2018 than my current desktop I bought in mid-2015. We'll see the actual pricing though. I don't think that forcing high-perf components into a small desktop chassis makes a lot of sense, but it might me only me.

For starting at 5k the pricing requires a bank loan for most people when you could pick up a refurbished desktop for $300-400

I don't think this is for the average consumer.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by rbanffy »

heliumcraft wrote: post #10

I don't think an equivalent PC really costs $7000 USD....

A Dell Precision 7000 will set you back US$3000 at a configuration similar to the iMac Pro. Add a good 27" 5K display, PCI-based SSD and you are close to US$ 6000 with a GPU that's a generation behind.

And it comes with Windows. Nobody deserves that.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by rayiner »

strictnein wrote: post #27
rayiner wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's an 8-core Xeon, it's gotta be an E5. So the CPU alone could run $2,000 (pricing for E5 2667 v4, this probably uses an equivalent Skylake Xeon which isn't out yet).

Intel is slashing their multicore processor prices in response to AMD. https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Annou... Sure, you'll be looking at non-ECC, but other than that, you'll be crushing the new iMac Pro in price to performance.

Who would use non-ECC memory in a box designed for content creation?

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by hocuspocus »

rbanffy wrote: post #40
colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

> and does not vent heat well enough They made it a point that the heat dissipation capacity is sufficient, 80% more than the non-pro iMac. edit: updated from the press-release.

Fried GPUs in the Macbook Pro line is a running gag at this point. Many iMac models have shown overheating issues as well. And I'm sure they were all supposed to have "sufficient" heat dissipation :)

I'd give Apple the benefit of the doubt here, but not with my own money, and with an AppleCare.

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