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Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by mpweiher »

colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

> This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market,

Nah, this is the stopgap they talked about when they had their "Come to Jesus" meeting with bloggers.

A real big boxy Mac Pro is supposed to come after 2017. Pre-announced, which Apple never does.

See: https://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

EDIT: They didn't actually say 2018, just "not in 2017"

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by endorphone »

mtgx wrote: post #5

I just can't believe they chose the 18-core 2018 Intel vaporware chip [1] over this year's 16-core AMD Threadripper. Very strange decision on Apple's part. Not to mention they could've sold the iMac Pro for like $1,000 less. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE

18 core Xeon chips have been available for 3+ years. There is nothing particularly odd about Apple's choice -- AMD has not been a serious competitor in the workstation market for years, and even with their newest entrant are only nipping at the very bottom of the market.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by BenzinNZ »

mtgx wrote: post #5

I just can't believe they chose the 18-core 2018 Intel vaporware chip [1] over this year's 16-core AMD Threadripper. Very strange decision on Apple's part. Not to mention they could've sold the iMac Pro for like $1,000 less. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE

I believe that OSX is optimized for Intel's brand of x86 - might have been too much effort to switch vendors when it comes to future kernel support.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by WalterSear »

goodroot wrote: post #13
colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

Why do you assume that heat ventilation will be an issue with the iMac Pro?

* 8 Core Intel Xeon

* Radeon Vega graphics

* 500 Watt power supply

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by sp332 »

goodroot wrote: post #13
colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

Why do you assume that heat ventilation will be an issue with the iMac Pro?

They mentioned this during the product announcement. It has completely different cooling, with dual centrifugal fans. http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-wwdc-2017-keynote-liveblo... (From the Ars liveblog http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-wwdc-2017-keynote-liveblo... )

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by strictnein »

rayiner wrote: post #20
colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

If it's an 8-core Xeon, it's gotta be an E5. So the CPU alone could run $2,000 (pricing for E5 2667 v4, this probably uses an equivalent Skylake Xeon which isn't out yet).

Intel is slashing their multicore processor prices in response to AMD.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i9-Annou...

Sure, you'll be looking at non-ECC, but other than that, you'll be crushing the new iMac Pro in price to performance.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by vosper »

maxxxxx wrote: post #6
mmastrac wrote: post #2

I’m disappointed they chose “pretty” over a “functional” metal box like the old Mac Pros. They ran into thermal issues with the fancy design of the trash can, despite their promises of cutting edge thermal design. These iMac Pros are probably going to be soldered-CPU, soldered-RAM beasts with low repairability. It's a bit of a small victory that they support external GPUs, but I think they are missing the boat here.

Agreed. Pretty is not everything. Many of us just need a practical and flexible machine to work with.

There are plenty of nice looking PC cases out there these days. I'm hoping to build a Hackintosh into an NZXT Manta case [0] (the windowless, matte black one) so that I can have practical, flexible, pretty, and quiet

[0] https://www.nzxt.com/products/manta-matte-black-windowless

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by toufka »

How is this not another Trashcan Mac Pro? It is a beautiful, expensive device at launch but has no capability of being upgraded, expanded or experimented with. It looks to have same thermal conundrum as the trashcan needing to dissipate the heat of the screen - all while trapped in a consumer-level shell designed specifically for exterior looks at the cost of performance. Is it not just philosophically incorrect for the pro market?

And compared to the enthusiasm for their iOS here, the pro customer is clearly no longer of value to Apple.

Re: Apple Teases Upcoming Space Gray iMac Pro, "the most powerful Mac ever"

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Post by accountyaccount »

colept wrote: post #9

This is Apple's answer to their negligence to the Pro market, and it's hugely disappointing. The iMac was already supposed to be a Pro machine. And then they "New Coke"'d it by making it too thin and susceptible to overheating. Performance suffered and now they're compensating with this machine. At $5000 the iMac Pro falls just short of a ~$2000 Hackintosh. It's still locked into the thin form factor that can't be up…

You know what pros want? the same inability to upgrade the Mac Pro but also attach the monitor
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