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Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why postpone it at all? They did a call for papers with blind review and the best papers were men. Its new tech, conferences are important promotion opportunities, especially for tech as maligned as Electron is. This seems like bad optics, and I feel bad for anyone who was accepted but gets bumped for a new presenter of the "right demographics".

Imagine if a few $MINORITY_GROUP speakers get in in the next round. Are they there because of merit, or because of optics? As a minority I would feel a bit patronized. And won't the next conference feel like a guy saying "I'm not racist, I have a black friend."?

Not necessarily, but it's really hard to say without them being more open about what their goals were in the first place!

Like maybe they were trying to get some legit outreach going but it fell through, who knows? To me, the work of Baldwin, Ta-Nehisi Coates is that the dialog around racism has to be open, transparent, honest. Especially becomes important if you're developing tech that will impact everyday people.

Another thought. To me, racial oppression is like a virus that is replicated particularly when the oppressed are shamed into silence, complicity, or the sense the they have to adopt the memes, mental constructs of systematic oppression. So like, what do we mean when we say meritocracy?

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

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I am an Indian (मैं भारतीय हूं‌) but as long as there are people who put token diversity over true meritocracy, there will never be hope for the downtrodden. This entire thing is such a farce.

Well Indians are over represented in tech so you're views don't matter. Double because you're male. But yes, rather rediculous. Totally agree. It's like survelience and terrorism. Just a stupid excuse to gain Goodwill w/ some groups and avoid a different problem they don't want to deal with. Hope you weren't offended, I just wanted to make a point. Of course your views matter

No I got you, you're saying majority is an automatic disqualification which is ridiculous but happens today nevertheless.

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

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This may be an unpopular opinion but I still don't understand why diversity even matters here - shouldn't it be the merit of the ideas and the presentation skills of the speakers?

I don't actually know anyone who concerns themselves with identity politics to the extent they would mothball their tech conference. Who are these people who make these kinds of decisions?

Conference organizers and conference presenters/attendees are two different sets of people with wildly different objectives and values.

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

#65

At face value this is poor communication. It's not clear what kind of diversity they aimed for: was it gender, racial, economic? What are they taking a stand for?

Definitely not diversity of ideas.

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

#66
Listen conference organizers, if you actually cared about diversity in our industry and not just optics, you would find the best possible speakers regardless of their "grouping" and then get as many scholarships to people who wouldn't normally come to your conference. In other words, you are doing it backwards.

One of the great problems I, and those I work for, have is getting quality educational resources to the particular minority population I serve. My blood boils when I hear stupid crap like this because you are actively doing it wrong and worse: freezing out the people you want to help by not helping them grow and generating bad will in everyone else. We need the best experts to train and lecture people.

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

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post #39

I don't buy the meritocracy BS that's so popular around here, but I do agree this seems insane, at least based on the small amount of information we have. The organizers have the right to do whatever they please, but I don't understand what they hope to accomplish by calling off the entire conference. It seems like that just hurts everyone. (I'm a white dude, just for full disclosure.) P.S.: Does anyone else wonder i…

You can follow the chain of events here:

https://twitter.com/fox/status/870761439094489088

This seems more like poor planning than anything else to me. Github's culture is such that they have no problems with abruptly cancelling the event after they are called out. However, if that's their culture, you would think some diversity plan would have been baked into the speaker selection process.

At the very least, they could have injected their own speakers, right? I assume, given the way they work, that they have some female staff that's knowledgeable on Electron.

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

#68
It is really worth considering that this conference used a blind review process[1]. Subsequently, there is zero chance that the reviewer's decisions were influenced by racism or sexism.

As a society, we need to consider the implications of what is going on here. In what way could this move possibly be said to be anti-racist/anti-sexist? It just isn't. If anything, abandoning your speakers because they are male/white (presumably), is itself bigoted. Consider how it would feel to be bumped from a speaker line up because of your race/gender.

[1] https://cfp.githubapp.com/events/electronconf-2017

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

#69
I'm disappointed in how many comments here are just kneejerk reactions. Reaching for weird comparisons, getting angry at the idea of diversity and social justice, and many others.

This wasn't enforced from outside. It's the organisers who agreed: yup, that's not what we want to do (https://twitter.com/nmsanchez/status/870811022306574336)

Stop for a moment, think of how you'd organise a conference. Is it different? Will people find it inviting? Will they find it interesting? Go ahead, and organise it! Every community and group of organisers can shape the events they create the way they want to. ElectronConf organisers made such choice.

For the people that worry so much about speakers... I haven't done many talks (2 bigger events), but if I heard my talk was delayed so the conference can be rebalanced / less of a white sausage party, I'd be glad. Others may not share that opinion. But don't assume everybody will.

Edit: Yes, there are better and worse ways to go about it. Realising too late and reverting the original list was not the best. Reaching out to / inviting diverse groups rather than fixing balance later would be better. Hope they learned and will do it better next year. Organisers which care about it from the beginning somehow manage to get a decent m/f split - both in the audience and in the speakers. (see linux.conf for a good example)

Edit2: A few people assume that talks will be dropped / replaced as a result. I don't know what the organisers are planning, but there's always an option of adding another room/stream. Until any talks are confirmed as dropped, this is just baseless speculation.

Re: ElectronConf postponed until a “more diverse slate of speakers” can be delivered

#70

Isn't it a slap in the face of speakers that took time to send in their proposals for presentations? "Your talk is great but your ethnicity or gender just isn't quite right"

Totally. Were I accepted and later dumped like this, I'd feel I was subject to actual gender/race discrimination.

The whole thing is ridiculous. To fight perceived discrimination, those people are doing even more direct and overt discrimination.

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