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Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by colbyh »

baron816 wrote: post #19
Safety1stClyde wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I program in Go and JavaScript, but don't enjoy it. I assure you that JavaScript is an interpreted language, and it does not have arrays or integers. This is not a harsh statement but a factual one.

There's plenty to not like about JS, but being interpreted and not having integers or arrays is not high on its negatives list. The little bit of good far outweighs the whole lot of bad. If you don't enjoy JS, it's because you haven't taken the time to learn what's great about it and have gotten hung up on the stupid things other people do with it or you're copying their mistakes.

> If you don't enjoy JS, it's because you haven't taken the time to learn what's great about it and have gotten hung up on the stupid things other people do with it or you're copying their mistakes.

oh come on now, it's perfectly ok for people to dislike a language for any number of reasons. I don't hate JS but I don't particularly enjoy it, and that could be said for a number of popular languages. it has nothing to do with "taking the time" to learn anything - some people just don't jive with JS and that's totally cool.

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by Others »

baron816 wrote: post #19
Safety1stClyde wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I program in Go and JavaScript, but don't enjoy it. I assure you that JavaScript is an interpreted language, and it does not have arrays or integers. This is not a harsh statement but a factual one.

There's plenty to not like about JS, but being interpreted and not having integers or arrays is not high on its negatives list. The little bit of good far outweighs the whole lot of bad. If you don't enjoy JS, it's because you haven't taken the time to learn what's great about it and have gotten hung up on the stupid things other people do with it or you're copying their mistakes.

I think you're in the right here, but that's a little too far. I don't enjoy programming in JS, because I really like strong typing. And that's ok. You seem to be implying that everyone who doesn't like JS is deluded or arrogant, but that's not the case.

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by Safety1stClyde »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #30
baron816 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty to not like about JS, but being interpreted and not having integers or arrays is not high on its negatives list. The little bit of good far outweighs the whole lot of bad. If you don't enjoy JS, it's because you haven't taken the time to learn what's great about it and have gotten hung up on the stupid things other people do with it or you're copying their mistakes.

I don't know, I rank not having integers pretty high on the list of faults. Wasn't there just a huge debacle with node being unable to represent inodes properly?

We're discussing programming language benchmarks. If one was forced to write all of a C or C++ or even Go program using only doubles, and not integers, and only hash tables, not arrays, undoubtedly it would become slower. The impressive thing about Node.js is that it is as fast as it is despite JavaScript not having integers or arrays.

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by RhodesianHunter »

baron816 wrote: post #15
Xoros wrote: post #8

So PHP is faster on most of those test than python or ruby ? I'm I missing something ? I thought everyone hating PHP ( also) because it was slow.

It's slow to develop with, which is a much more costly problem.

This comment is so patently false​ that I don't even know how to express strongly enough how polar opposite of true it is.

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by azinman2 »

Safety1stClyde wrote: post #16
dpratt wrote: post #14

Any benchmark that includes a JVM language always makes me look for a disclaimer that they allowed for proper JIT/warming time by running the benchmark a few times in the same VM instance before collecting the numbers. I may have missed it in this article, but I didn't see it. Yes, startup time is a concern with the JVM, but that's not what it's built for - it's meant for long-runnning repeatable code paths.

A program written in C will execute faster if you run it multiple times, and slower if it has not been run recently. Presumably all of the benchmarks consist of many thousands of repetitions of the same process.

The difference is not as dramatic as with the JVM.

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by adventured »

Xoros wrote: post #8

So PHP is faster on most of those test than python or ruby ? I'm I missing something ? I thought everyone hating PHP ( also) because it was slow.

PHP 7 is extremely fast.

There was some legitimate criticism to be had about PHP 5.x being slow, especially if it wasn't paired with an opcode cache system / accelerator.

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

Safety1stClyde wrote: post #33
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know, I rank not having integers pretty high on the list of faults. Wasn't there just a huge debacle with node being unable to represent inodes properly?

We're discussing programming language benchmarks. If one was forced to write all of a C or C++ or even Go program using only doubles, and not integers, and only hash tables, not arrays, undoubtedly it would become slower. The impressive thing about Node.js is that it is as fast as it is despite JavaScript not having integers or arrays.

No, we're not discussing language benchmarks anymore. The parent I replied to claimed that not having integers is not a big deal -- I disagree. It's a huge deal.

They go on to say:

> If you don't enjoy JS, it's because you haven't taken the time to learn what's great about it and have gotten hung up on the stupid things other people do with it or you're copying their mistakes.

Which is... wrong. Many, many programmers dislike JavaScript and node.js because of its flaws. I don't think Stockholm syndrome is an appropriate prescription.

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by trynumber9 »

mike986 wrote: post #20

they should have included luajit it's almost a dropin replacement for most projects

It was included in the past [0]. It was removed to simplify the process and due to a "one implementation per language" rule.

[0]: http://i.imgur.com/0xxOfVm.png

Re: Benchmark: Java, Python, PHP, C, JavaScript, Swift, Ruby, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust

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Post by marcus_holmes »

Safety1stClyde wrote: post #27
baron816 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty to not like about JS, but being interpreted and not having integers or arrays is not high on its negatives list. The little bit of good far outweighs the whole lot of bad. If you don't enjoy JS, it's because you haven't taken the time to learn what's great about it and have gotten hung up on the stupid things other people do with it or you're copying their mistakes.

> There's plenty to not like about JS, but being interpreted and not having integers or arrays is not high on its negatives list. We are having a discussion is about programming language benchmarks. A benchmark in this case is a measure of how fast a computer program can run. A computer program is a series of instructions for a computer. These instructions are written in something called a programming language . A pr…

that's a very simplistic exploration of a very complex subject

(edited for negativity and ad-hominem)

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