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Airbnb Is Popular, but Renting Out Your Car Is Another Story

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One has to put in a lot of effort to render a residence unusable (not talking about having to replace carpet, I mean irreparably ruined). One only has to not pay attention for 30 seconds at the wrong time to do the same to an auto.

Hell, inattention for less than 3 seconds at the wrong time can cause a huge accident. Then there's the issue of willfully bad driving when it comes to sports cars, bad weather, and drunk driving.

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If you're playing $2k/year in tickets, you should be paying closer attention, at that point you have nobody to blame but yourself.

It's not just tickets. It's tickets + permits + insurance + plates. I wasn't blaming anyone else, either. I assume you're perfectly vigilant in every aspect of your life? Meh, never mind. By the way, a friend just tried to park in the spot that I got towed out of. That's how unassuming it looks. That's just a thing you get to learn if you happen to live here, and the only way you learn it is after you get towed. Not…

> And how about the $120 ticket the other day for making a left at a light that was green but happened to be labeled no left turn without an arrow?

Are you complaining that you got a ticket for committing an infraction?

It's one thing to complain about regulations that seem to make no sense to you; it's another for breaking those regulations, and then bitching that you got caught.

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You can, and I don't buy it. Besides, in your original post, you said "Owning a car in a city ..." more than once. But, in the spirit of charity, I actually went to the trouble of asking a couple friends who live in NYC and own cars, "hey do you get a lot of extraneous parking tickets?" According to them, no, it's not the problem you're making it out to be. You'll have to do more to convince me that you're not just c…

Not a single one of my tickets were for speeding. I forgot to mention that, so I think it's more likely that this animosity is from people equating tickets = lunatic driver. I drive like an old man on the road. I'm glad your NYC friends are well-off, but different neighborhoods are different. The south side of various cities are completely different from north side. This isn't a new phenomenon, and it matters where y…

> That ~$50M/yr has to come from somewhere

Yup:

> UPS, FedEx and other commercial delivery companies pay a steep price for doing business in New York City, getting an average of 7,000 parking tickets every day and paying more than $102 million in fines in the city’s latest budget year.

> Atlanta-based UPS has a fleet of 1,000 trucks and receives about 15,000 tickets a month here. The company is the biggest offender in the city, paying $18.7 million in parking violations for the fiscal year ending June 30, according to city data. Memphis-based FedEx was second with $8.2 million.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14602712/ns/business-us_business/t...

> I turned left at a green light when there was no oncoming traffic even though the damn thing was marked "don't turn left without an arrow"

Dude.

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Not a single one of my tickets were for speeding. I forgot to mention that, so I think it's more likely that this animosity is from people equating tickets = lunatic driver. I drive like an old man on the road. I'm glad your NYC friends are well-off, but different neighborhoods are different. The south side of various cities are completely different from north side. This isn't a new phenomenon, and it matters where y…

> That ~$50M/yr has to come from somewhere Yup: > UPS, FedEx and other commercial delivery companies pay a steep price for doing business in New York City, getting an average of 7,000 parking tickets every day and paying more than $102 million in fines in the city’s latest budget year. > Atlanta-based UPS has a fleet of 1,000 trucks and receives about 15,000 tickets a month here. The company is the biggest offender i…

What? Or is "dude" your sum total point?

Are we really in a situation where it's heretical to turn left when there's no traffic? Ok then.

If you didn't notice my other comment, we didn't see the sign. So maybe reserve judgement for whoever you like to judge.

The point of traffic laws are to mold behavior into healthy patterns, not to generate money for the city. That's the goal, anyway. If you're really defending a "don't turn left without an arrow under any circumstances," then I couldn't disagree more strongly with your stance.

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It's not just tickets. It's tickets + permits + insurance + plates. I wasn't blaming anyone else, either. I assume you're perfectly vigilant in every aspect of your life? Meh, never mind. By the way, a friend just tried to park in the spot that I got towed out of. That's how unassuming it looks. That's just a thing you get to learn if you happen to live here, and the only way you learn it is after you get towed. Not…

> And how about the $120 ticket the other day for making a left at a light that was green but happened to be labeled no left turn without an arrow? Are you complaining that you got a ticket for committing an infraction? It's one thing to complain about regulations that seem to make no sense to you; it's another for breaking those regulations, and then bitching that you got caught.

Often the rules of parking, etc. and the differential enforcement thereof are intentionally designed to boost city revenue.

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May I suggest that owning a car in a medium-sized city is a bit different from owning one in one of the largest cities in the world? (Top 25.) When the parking people patrol your car, specifically, every day, looking for any small mistake, you bet you'll get a ticket. The best is getting one for "illegally parked too far away from curb" when it's literally one foot away. If you're arguing that tickets aren't a signif…

I live in the top 25 and I never get tickets. I do however see idiots getting towed from spots clearly marked as reserved for food trucks all the time, sometimes 2 different cars towed at the same time from the same food truck spot.

Meanwhile, I got towed when I was away for the weekend at a close friend's wedding, flying back into SF from Seattle Monday morning, and a sign was literally placed either Saturday or Sunday night saying that cars parked on my street after 8 AM Monday would get towed due to construction. I got there at 10 AM, and my car was gone, and there was no construction yet either.

The total bill? $500

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#77

Had two car-owning friends that did RelayRides (now Turo) during the peak sharing economy a few years ago. Both cars were involved minor collisions within months. Turns out renting in the city to people that don't drive much, might be prone to accidents. Making sure cars weren't parked on street-cleaning side and dealing with tickets also seemed like a huge hassle. Cars have a really high administrative burden compar…

> In the East-Bay, AAA is making a massive investment in car-sharing with GiG. I love seeing my neighbors in Oakland lose their minds over GiG because the cars are stealing 'their' parking.

Mostly I just associate them with having terrible drivers. I have already been nearly run over at crosswalks by gig drivers twice in two weeks.

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>they treated it like an ordinary rental car rather than borrowing a friend's car. How is it different from an ordinary rental car?

I, for one, go our of my way to treat AirBnBs (even) nicer than I treat hotels because its an actual friendly person's house -- not a hotel room owned by a big evil soulless corporation. I don't see why this isn't the case with other people. With GetAround, the whole premise is that you're borrowing your neighbor's car, not getting a late model Prius from Enterprise that has been beaten to hell and back already.

I'm paying them, no wonder they're friendly. Normal wear and tear should be factored into their prices, same as if I was renting a hotel room or apartment or car.

When an AirBNB listing looks like they expect me to put myself at extra inconvenience, I don't bother with it. Especially with how many of them are basically full-time landlords of their rented spaces these days.

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I, for one, go our of my way to treat AirBnBs (even) nicer than I treat hotels because its an actual friendly person's house -- not a hotel room owned by a big evil soulless corporation. I don't see why this isn't the case with other people. With GetAround, the whole premise is that you're borrowing your neighbor's car, not getting a late model Prius from Enterprise that has been beaten to hell and back already.

I'm paying them, no wonder they're friendly. Normal wear and tear should be factored into their prices, same as if I was renting a hotel room or apartment or car. When an AirBNB listing looks like they expect me to put myself at extra inconvenience, I don't bother with it. Especially with how many of them are basically full-time landlords of their rented spaces these days.

I think there's room in between. If the owner expects you to treat the property well, they can do things to enhance your experience that a hotel can't. But treating things well is a minor burden, so sometimes you just want to get a hotel and not worry about it.

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I do really like the idea of a 'shared fleet' to get cars off the road and encourage alternative transport (walking, biking, public transport, ride sharing) and reduce our 'car culture'. Because these alternatives don't cover all use-cases, I need a car sometimes so I'm mostly forced to bear the rather large expensive of having a car all the time. I'd totally consider ditching my car entirely if I could press a butto…

I'm in a similar situation. I rarely used my car, and was considering getting rid of it for a while. About a year ago I got rear-ended in a hit and run that totaled the car, so I decided to just try using Uber / Lyft, and decide if I wanted to buy a car.

It's been about a year, and I'm pretty seriously considering buying a used car. There are some use cases that Uber and Lyft don't cover, and my only option is to go rent a car, which requires some lead time, etc. Being able to get a car valet'd to my door would be nice, but what I'd really like is to find a neighbor that has 2 cars that they use to drive to work, but would be willing to let me use an extra car of their's on the weekend (for a fee of course). Our city has car2go, but the cars a really tiny, and you can only park them in a small part of the city.

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