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Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by gpderetta »

stonesixone wrote: post #30
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My hypothesis is that dreams don't actually happen as we sleep, just that the conscious state "arrives" in the brain before the cleaning/storing processes have completed. The brain then creates a memory to explain what's hanging around from the clean-up. So the dream happens during waking, the brain inventing new parts as we try and recall the dream so that the dream state can be established from a logical timeline.…

If you've ever experienced lucid dreaming, I believe your hypothesis can be considered refuted _while_ you are in a lucid dream (for the same reason that the phrase "I think therefore I am" carries any weight). After the fact though, it doesn't seem possible to distinguish between a real memory of a lucid dream and your idea of a created memory of a lucid dream. Another possible argument against is if a partner next…

People have been able to communicate to the outside when lucid dreaming (via eye movement mostly), during controlled experiments.

So at the very least lucid dreams happen in 'real time'.

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by jaequery »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #29

My wife gets a kind of de ja vu. She's had a peculiar persistent condition ever since taking a very large dose of lsd with me. On a near-nightly basis for the last two years her dreams have been entirely different in quality to before her trip. Prior to the trip she always dreampt in third person, as if watching a story unfold. Now she often has first person dreams. These first person dreams are so much more real to…

have you ever looked up clairvoyance?

it's pretty fascinating stuff and your story sounds somewhat familiar to this biography i once read about not too long ago.

it makes you wonder if this stuff is indeed real.

http://www.baba-vanga.com/2015/09/04/baba-vanga-biography-in...

btw, don't fall for the whole media stuffs about her predictions, many of them are bs, stick to the original source.

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

stonesixone wrote: post #30
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My hypothesis is that dreams don't actually happen as we sleep, just that the conscious state "arrives" in the brain before the cleaning/storing processes have completed. The brain then creates a memory to explain what's hanging around from the clean-up. So the dream happens during waking, the brain inventing new parts as we try and recall the dream so that the dream state can be established from a logical timeline.…

If you've ever experienced lucid dreaming, I believe your hypothesis can be considered refuted _while_ you are in a lucid dream (for the same reason that the phrase "I think therefore I am" carries any weight). After the fact though, it doesn't seem possible to distinguish between a real memory of a lucid dream and your idea of a created memory of a lucid dream. Another possible argument against is if a partner next…

I considered lucid dreaming, indeed that was the spur that drove me to this hypothesis - your suggested counter argument was my thought there, one can't tell if one constructed a dream with a lucid characteristic after waking rather than actually having a lucid dream experience extending through the time you were asleep.

See however the sibling comment.

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

gpderetta wrote: post #31
stonesixone wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've ever experienced lucid dreaming, I believe your hypothesis can be considered refuted _while_ you are in a lucid dream (for the same reason that the phrase "I think therefore I am" carries any weight). After the fact though, it doesn't seem possible to distinguish between a real memory of a lucid dream and your idea of a created memory of a lucid dream. Another possible argument against is if a partner next…

People have been able to communicate to the outside when lucid dreaming (via eye movement mostly), during controlled experiments. So at the very least lucid dreams happen in 'real time'.

I've not heard of this phenomenon, communicating with a person in a dream state: could you cite it?

People saying things could be like the images appearing in the visual cortex that I tried to address in brief. They can appear, be processed, provide external output and such without necessarily being part of a dream experience happening at that time.

Back to my analogy, the magic secretary plays back some sound files, which maybe someone in a different office hears and attributes to you being present, but which you aren't "there" to experience. When you start to wake to consciousness you see the files and infer you were working on them, your partner mentions utterances consistent with one file and your brain meshes that in to part of the "story" it is writing of the dream experience (a la deja-vu).

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by gpderetta »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #34
gpderetta wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been able to communicate to the outside when lucid dreaming (via eye movement mostly), during controlled experiments. So at the very least lucid dreams happen in 'real time'.

I've not heard of this phenomenon, communicating with a person in a dream state: could you cite it? People saying things could be like the images appearing in the visual cortex that I tried to address in brief. They can appear, be processed, provide external output and such without necessarily being part of a dream experience happening at that time. Back to my analogy, the magic secretary plays back some sound files,…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24171230

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by ham »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #29

My wife gets a kind of de ja vu. She's had a peculiar persistent condition ever since taking a very large dose of lsd with me. On a near-nightly basis for the last two years her dreams have been entirely different in quality to before her trip. Prior to the trip she always dreampt in third person, as if watching a story unfold. Now she often has first person dreams. These first person dreams are so much more real to…

I've had the sensation of deja vu on and off (particularly when tired) over the past 10 years. This began after experimenting with lsd in my early twenties and has sort of tapered off since. On one of the first occasions trying the drug I had a momentary (and vivid) recall of what felt like the hundreds of times in my lifetime I had the sensation of deja vu. Sort of like some circuit for deja vu related memories was activated. For many of the memories, I had remembered them previously as being about the sensation of deja vu (so in one sense I could at least validate some of them were correct when recalled agian). There were many others I couldn't be sure were actual fragments of my past that were being recalled for the first time. Fleeting.

The persistence of the sensation has broken over the years. Only when jetlagged or exhausted will the deja vu filter reappear.

Another thing I've noticed is that if I'm super tired - that type of tired when you can fall asleep in 10 seconds - is that one half of me will fall asleep faster than the other. If I'm woken in those few seconds I awaken with what feels like two sets of memories for those few seconds that goes with a strong sense of deja vu.

* I've been to doctor and discussed this. Had MRI & EEG (nothing unusual), and removed a lot of stress my life combined with a good diet and exercise. I've had little in the way of such strange experiences in a long while except a little deja vu every now and again.

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by eip »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #20
nv-vn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something similar happened to me one of my "first times" as well (I had tried weed a number of times beforehand, but all of those times had been spaced out by months and none were very intense). I had smoked only smaller amounts before and ended up smoking many, many bowls out of my friend's bong without really thinking much of it. A moment of panic set in as I was inhaling my last hit and began to feel the effects o…

After smoking a good amount I had a similar experience in which it seemed, as you said, that I stopped forming short term memories. I also had a nearly constant sensation of "just having woken up," as if every minute or so I was regaining consciousness after having been asleep. I even asked my friend several times, "Was I asleep?" to which the reply was always, "No, you've just been sitting there."

The Virtuals seek many different modes of gnosis or enlightenment. This slogan refers to one of the foremost of these "horizonless goals:" the gnosis of "staying awake", or more specifically, always waking up. This is the most exalted yet everyday mode of enlightenment, one which is not attained so much as continually rediscovered. There is only waking up and rubbing your eyes . One of the techniques to developing these moments--which we err in considering "states" of consciousness--is to allow these very slogans to randomly erupt in the mind. Spontaneously "mad" behavior, tricks, and optical illusions are also common approaches, but the moment they become fixed as "techniques" they begin to lose their efficacy. The point is to cut against established patterns--to "kill the Buddha," as the Ch'an patriarchs say. For example, rather than staring at a beautiful object that catches your eye in the market, observe how others relate to the object.

As in English, ngHolo's Indo-Chinese dialect contains the image of the dawn as a "crack" or "break." The peasants believe this crack is real--that a day literally ossifies over its 24-hour period, trapping the earth inside a cosmic shell. The shell is then ruptured by the rising sun. But the Virtuals play with this image to emphasize both the violent and nurturing aspects of "always waking up". On the one hand, perpetual gnosis constantly rends the dreamlike illusion--or more exactly, the tentative construction--of your present plateau. On the other hand, such gnosis pervades the mind with the empty but pregnant emptiness of the glowing dawn sky.

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by eip »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #29

My wife gets a kind of de ja vu. She's had a peculiar persistent condition ever since taking a very large dose of lsd with me. On a near-nightly basis for the last two years her dreams have been entirely different in quality to before her trip. Prior to the trip she always dreampt in third person, as if watching a story unfold. Now she often has first person dreams. These first person dreams are so much more real to…

A few years ago I had a dream that I was roughly 5 years in the future. I was in a car with some people that I don't know. We were driving near the house I grew up in.

They gave me a drug that hasn't been invented yet. It was called 'cloud'.

In the dream I could feel the drug as if I was awake. It made me see a huge amount of colors I can't normally see. As if I had an extra cone in my eye.

Then we swam in blue tiled baths in the hills behind my house that aren't there in waking life.

Not sure what it means.

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by Ductapemaster »

spoxaka wrote: post #22
Ductapemaster wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have this same experience with dreams at least a few times a month. For example I'll have a dream where I'm recounting a real-life story to a friend or family member. Later on, during my waking life, I'll tell the story again to someone and I won't be able to tell if I've told the story to them before or not, regardless if they are the person from the dream. Sometimes, I won't even remember the dream and I have the…

you've just described exactly the same experience which happens to me quite often. I must say that I'm quite relieved that I'm not the only one like that. thank you for taking time to write this

Absolutely! I'm trying to share more with friends and other mediums about the odd things I experience in my life. I'm coming to the realization that these are just glimpses into how the brain works that we interpret in odd ways with our higher level thought - not things that separate me and my own experience from the experiences of others. It's important to open a dialog about these things and not cycle deep in your own conscious thoughts about it all :)

Re: Déjà vu so extreme that I can’t tell what’s real

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Post by nv-vn »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #20
nv-vn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something similar happened to me one of my "first times" as well (I had tried weed a number of times beforehand, but all of those times had been spaced out by months and none were very intense). I had smoked only smaller amounts before and ended up smoking many, many bowls out of my friend's bong without really thinking much of it. A moment of panic set in as I was inhaling my last hit and began to feel the effects o…

After smoking a good amount I had a similar experience in which it seemed, as you said, that I stopped forming short term memories. I also had a nearly constant sensation of "just having woken up," as if every minute or so I was regaining consciousness after having been asleep. I even asked my friend several times, "Was I asleep?" to which the reply was always, "No, you've just been sitting there."

Wow that sounds eerily familiar. I remember I was standing up and was sort of okay, and then all of a sudden I just became completely unaware of my surroundings and had to think about where I was. After that it really started to kick in and I kept getting the feeling of waking up. I remember trying to walk around thinking that doing something would keep me "awake," but it just made all the actions almost mechanical. Like moving my legs was automatic and I didn't know why I was doing it until I "woke up" again.
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