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Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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I've been participating in Google Contributor since it's inception, this is like the 3rd relaunch of the service. I have no doubt it will fail just like the past iterations because the fundamental flaw is that Google is the heart of the system and they're unwilling to extricate themselves from it. I don't think this type of service is the way forward and the solution will not come from Google or any other ad provider…

The solution is Xanadu: get the transaction costs low enough that people can be automatically charged for the content they read.

The acceptance of half-assed worse-is-better partial solutions has doomed us all to scammy, spammy "Links from Around the Web" until these issues arw resolved.

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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Whether it comes from Google, or someone else I believe this is the only way the web survives. Content creators need to be able to charge different amounts for different quality content. In depth, well researched reporting needs to be able to earn more than a buzzfeed article. That's not possible with a flat "per-eyeball" cost, where the revenue to the content creator is uncorrelated with the cost to create or the va…

>A model like this is necessary to support quality content online. It's totally not. People essentially enjoy creating and sharing, and love putting up quality content about things they truly give a shit about. The internet was built on people writing massive forums posts about completely stripping down Kawasaki motorbike engines, and hosting their own websites where they ramble about conditional probability. Wikiped…

>People essentially enjoy creating and sharing, and love putting up quality content about things they truly give a shit about.

I don't believe that applies to even a tiny fraction of people. I work with a LOT of world-class scientists (biotech). I can tell you outright that after they leave work, the LAST thing they want to do is to spend hours updating Wikipedia or arguing in forum posts about scientific minutia. (Yes, it might be different in pure academia, where people love to publish, but even there, they're already getting compensated)

So even if we take your argument ast face value, people who enjoy sharing _ALSO_ enjoy getting paid. To take a relevant example, the primary reason Linux didn't fail (like most hobby projects do) was because companies pumped in hundreds of millions of dollars to pay people to actually write code. You want to write a AAA game, a web browser, a compiler, an OS or any other software tool that has hundreds of millions of lines of code and can compete with the leading products, while not spending a dime? Good luck and god speed is what I'd say. So while in principle, I might agree with your proposition that one man MAY give away the fruits of their labor, and that those fruits might be very very delicious, the world is running out of things people can do in their spare time for free that is also worth looking at. Please note that I'm not talking about hacking out a tiny tool over the weekend. I'm talking about sustained efforts to produce something of value.

> The world came to the internet for the content that people made for free, because it was the best.

You need to provide a _LOT_ of evidence if you want people to believe such an outlandish claim.

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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I've been participating in Google Contributor since it's inception, this is like the 3rd relaunch of the service. I have no doubt it will fail just like the past iterations because the fundamental flaw is that Google is the heart of the system and they're unwilling to extricate themselves from it. I don't think this type of service is the way forward and the solution will not come from Google or any other ad provider…

> Any payments to avoid ads served by these companies would require compensating all of these companies I think you misunderstood how this iteration of Contributor would work; the publisher integrates Google's contributor code in such a way that if you pay them, they don't show you any ads, no need to worry about the ad ecosystem. > People want to maintain their privacy I will start believing this when people start a…

>> People want to maintain their privacy

> I will start believing this when people start acting like it rather than just saying it. I would be surprised if the group of people who care enough about their privacy to do anything about it is above 1% of internet users in the US.

That's like saying, "I will start believing people don't want viruses when they stop opening attachments, start carefully examining every URL before clicking on it, and verify MD5 checksums before installing any downloads.

We don't blame the spread of computer viruses on untechnical users. The creators of operating systems and browsers have the vantage point and the expertise, and are in the best position to do the right thing. But of course profits always come first. The same goes with privacy.

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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post #103

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Brave Software

+100 I was a Google Contributor user/paying subscriber for quite a while. It works to some degree. But Brave is superior and is the best thing to happen to the web since ads.

> is the best thing to happen to the web since ads.

Ads are the worst thing that happened to the web.

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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I've been participating in Google Contributor since it's inception, this is like the 3rd relaunch of the service. I have no doubt it will fail just like the past iterations because the fundamental flaw is that Google is the heart of the system and they're unwilling to extricate themselves from it. I don't think this type of service is the way forward and the solution will not come from Google or any other ad provider…

Very perceptive, and extra points for the vivid but notably obscure rat King reference

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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post #166

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I strongly disagree that contributors aren't providing content 'for free'. I request a stream of bytes from them, they provide a stream of bytes free of charge. Its up to me how I want to display those bytes, and I'm not stealing anything or breaking any contract by choosing not to render every single one.

They are providing content for free on the assumption that you will not block adverts. To imagine otherwise is disingenuous at best.

Why is it disingenuous. All they're providing is a stream of bytes, why should they get to dictate how those bytes are consumed.

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More accurately a subset of super-nerds who care about extensions and privacy will switch from Chrome. For regular people, if Brave somehow started eating meaningful chunks of Google's market share they'd just integrate contributor into Chrome and get roughly the same effect.

Not to mention Brave is written in Electron/JS so it'll perform worse than Chrome does.

Yeah I gave up on Brave and switched to Opera, it feels about as snappy as chrome to me.

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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the question is do i want to get tracked by google contributor or google ads?

Yeah, the main issue with the "scheme" is "works with your Google account to remove ads". So not only am I paying, I'm also inconvenienced by having to have a Google account and I have to be permanently logged in.

This is online music all over again. I'm not being presented with an option that is superior to the unprofitable solution I'm currently using. As long as using adblockers is a better experience than paying for content, it simply isn't going to work.

Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web

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Whether it comes from Google, or someone else I believe this is the only way the web survives. Content creators need to be able to charge different amounts for different quality content. In depth, well researched reporting needs to be able to earn more than a buzzfeed article. That's not possible with a flat "per-eyeball" cost, where the revenue to the content creator is uncorrelated with the cost to create or the va…

There's something I'm working on that's essentially a paypal button, but acts as a little widget on the site.

I'm still in the testing phases of it, but a lot of people that I've talked to have said "Yes, I'd pay $1-3 to a site that I visit regularly if it didn't have ads"

https://www.trussapp.com/ for the curious (it's still just a hair away from being a beta product, so keep that in mind)

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