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Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

#51

Something that's never made sense to me about stocks: Unless you're extremely wealthy, any money you are able to save (outside of retirement money) is probably money you are going to want to use for something to improve your life in the semi-near future. Buying a house or car (or just a better one) for example. With that assumption in place, under what circumstances does investing in index funds make any sense whatso…

Numbers. It's all about how you feel about that risk of crashing vs the potential payout.

Say I'm squirreling away $5k a year for a new car in 4 years. Every year I put in another $5k, so by the end, I've put in $25k.

If I put that in a typical savings account, I earn 0.1% and come out $50 ahead. Effectively 0, or losing value once you throw in inflation.

Go with stocks, at a 5% return, I end up with over $27k, and at 8% I have over $29k. It's also true that I could lose value, and that's the gamble.

So it's a matter of your comfort level, obviously, and if you can't afford to lose the money, don't invest. But in many many cases, the reward outweighs the risk.

I view it that I'm much, much more likely to get a return > 0.1% than experience a loss over 5 years, and I'm willing to accept the risk.

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

#52

Warren Buffet tells his heirs to go 90% SP500 and 10% Bonds. So just buy VOO and BND, rebalance yearly and you are done. OR do a 3 fund portfolio like: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio OR buy a target retirement fund from Vanguard: https://investor.vanguard.com/search/?query=Vanguard%20targe... OR fill out a risk profile on Wealthfront/Betterment and invest there. Bottom line is pick an approach a…

Any tips for investors in Europe? (Germany or UK in my personal case). I understand that these strategies are not country-specific, but not sure if Vanguard is accessible to non-US citizens, and there might be tax implications in different countries. That's why I'm asking.

The idea of indexing doesn't require a specific index. It is more general than that. The idea that average returns are pretty good, and average returns with low cost-of-management are even better.

In order to get average returns, the key is simply to own a tiny fraction of the entire market, whatever "market" means to you. The focus has long been on the S&P simply because it has historically done a pretty good job of representing the US equities market, it is market-cap weighted (unlike the Dow), and the earliest index funds tracked the S&P.

It's my expectation, stated without proof, that it should be easy to find a comparable index in Europe, if you want to match the average European return.

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

#53

If this is about index funds specifically, that is definitely not clear. If anything I think this is NOT about index funds, but individual stocks. Index funds are basically set it and forget it, so why would I want to continuously use this app? Just buy some $SCHB, $SPY, $VTI, or whatever combo of index funds you want and that's it. Daytraders, swing traders, and people buying individual stocks would want to use an a…

> Index funds are basically set it and forget it, so why would I want to continuously use this app? Just buy some $SCHB, $SPY, $VTI, or whatever combo of index funds you want and that's it.

Because of re-balancing. Say you invest in three index funds at a 70/20/10 split. One of those funds performs much better than the others over time, leaving you with a distorted ratio. So you re-balance to get back to your original 70/20/10. Typically you'd re-balance one or two times a year.

Ideally you want to avoid selling to rebalance, so if you're investing regularly (once a month, for example) you want to know exactly which funds to put your money in to each time to maintain your percentage split.

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty popular in the Financial Independence crowd, where the goal is to get enough money to be able to live on interest alone. It's not for the extremely wealthy, rather the somewhat high-income middle class. You can even make it work with less income if you can manage to cut your expense. Most people adjusts (ie: increases) their spending when they get additional income, but it doesn't have to be that way. In…

The FI crowd is 90% expense management and 10% investment. It seems like most folks there have a goal to stop working but are willing to do that and live like a pauper the rest of their lives. If that works for them, great, but I'd much rather work at a job I love, make very good money, and enjoy my life, rather than "retire" at 35 and live on $24k/yr in interest for the rest of my life. I'd love to see a Financial I…

That's one way of doing it, but there's no one-size-fit-all solution. Some do what you said and just stop spending anything. Not everyone retires either, it's just that they do work they like because they can afford it rather than having to.

It's really a personal experience, I know myself I don't feel like my life is missing anything even if I'm putting money aside to my future. I'm still traveling at least once a year, and I eat pretty good food all the time. At the same time, I don't have a car and rent one whenever I need one.

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

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post #51

Something that's never made sense to me about stocks: Unless you're extremely wealthy, any money you are able to save (outside of retirement money) is probably money you are going to want to use for something to improve your life in the semi-near future. Buying a house or car (or just a better one) for example. With that assumption in place, under what circumstances does investing in index funds make any sense whatso…

Numbers. It's all about how you feel about that risk of crashing vs the potential payout. Say I'm squirreling away $5k a year for a new car in 4 years. Every year I put in another $5k, so by the end, I've put in $25k. If I put that in a typical savings account, I earn 0.1% and come out $50 ahead. Effectively 0, or losing value once you throw in inflation. Go with stocks, at a 5% return, I end up with over $27k, and a…

Savings accounts aren't the only option though. Bonds will return like 2-3% depending on the type, without the occasional dramatic crashes in value.

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any tips for investors in Europe? (Germany or UK in my personal case). I understand that these strategies are not country-specific, but not sure if Vanguard is accessible to non-US citizens, and there might be tax implications in different countries. That's why I'm asking.

The idea of indexing doesn't require a specific index. It is more general than that. The idea that average returns are pretty good, and average returns with low cost-of-management are even better. In order to get average returns, the key is simply to own a tiny fraction of the entire market, whatever "market" means to you. The focus has long been on the S&P simply because it has historically done a pretty good job of…

The key idea behind index investing is paying low fees.

Non index funds perform the same as index funds (and research indicates you can differentiate the ones that outperform a priori with any method). But those funds have higher fees.

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

#57
This looks more like a fantasy stock league, especially with leaderboard.

Also it is good to point out leaderboard means nothing, it is totally pointless.

This is like playing poker with infinite fantasy stack.

If you are good investor you will never be on this leaderboard :)

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

#58

Warren Buffet tells his heirs to go 90% SP500 and 10% Bonds. So just buy VOO and BND, rebalance yearly and you are done. OR do a 3 fund portfolio like: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio OR buy a target retirement fund from Vanguard: https://investor.vanguard.com/search/?query=Vanguard%20targe... OR fill out a risk profile on Wealthfront/Betterment and invest there. Bottom line is pick an approach a…

Any tips for investors in Europe? (Germany or UK in my personal case). I understand that these strategies are not country-specific, but not sure if Vanguard is accessible to non-US citizens, and there might be tax implications in different countries. That's why I'm asking.

There's a good list of UK brokers here, most of which have Vanguard funds. http://monevator.com/compare-uk-cheapest-online-brokers/ Personally, I use Charles Stanley Direct and I don't have any complaints about them.

Make sure to stick it in an ISA account if possible to keep it tax free.

Re: Show HN: StockNerd – A community for index fund investors

#60

Warren Buffet tells his heirs to go 90% SP500 and 10% Bonds. So just buy VOO and BND, rebalance yearly and you are done. OR do a 3 fund portfolio like: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Three-fund_portfolio OR buy a target retirement fund from Vanguard: https://investor.vanguard.com/search/?query=Vanguard%20targe... OR fill out a risk profile on Wealthfront/Betterment and invest there. Bottom line is pick an approach a…

Any tips for investors in Europe? (Germany or UK in my personal case). I understand that these strategies are not country-specific, but not sure if Vanguard is accessible to non-US citizens, and there might be tax implications in different countries. That's why I'm asking.

For folks in the United Kingdom, Vanguard index funds are now accessible through their new website[0]. Their website was released mid May 2017 and has caused a good shakeup[1] in the individual investor space as other stock brokers commission charges are incredibly high.

[0] https://www.vanguardinvestor.co.uk/home

[1] http://www.scotsman.com/business/markets-economy/bill-jamies...

They have mentioned that Vanguard will be looking to give access to Europe in 2018.

[Edit] - Removed Financial Times link as they have a paywall.

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