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Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
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Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure where the "trust" issue is. You pay $x/month, you see less ads. If they shut it down, they stop charging you money and you start seeing the ads you saw before.
Like, why should I even click the link?
Because you don't want to see ads and are willing to pay for that? Possibly for a long time; possibly until Google shuts it down. Either way, you can show your support for the content creators who currently rely on ads.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#163I already have an ad removal pass, it's called uBlock origin.
It's not exactly like torrenting music, but a bit (requires some tech skills, ambiguous morality) And at least in my circle of friends, Spotify pretty much killed that.
even assuming 100% buy-in for content providers for google pass as an ad replacement, it doesn't replace all the use cases of a decent ad-blocker (like ublock origin). For me, I block newrelic, google analytics, segment, and a whole bunch of non-advertising related sites that slow down the web. Doing this more than halves the load time and download requirements of just about any major site.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#164How is this different from paying for an adblocker? There is lots of good free ones. I pay publishers I like for their content (buying newspapers, subscriptions, etc) and I don't get why Google should be the middleman in this.
It's not that Google "should" be the middleman in this, it's that Google "wants" to be be the middleman in this, since you paying for a subscription directly cuts them out of that sweet ad revenue.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#165Whether it comes from Google, or someone else I believe this is the only way the web survives. Content creators need to be able to charge different amounts for different quality content. In depth, well researched reporting needs to be able to earn more than a buzzfeed article. That's not possible with a flat "per-eyeball" cost, where the revenue to the content creator is uncorrelated with the cost to create or the va…
And it has to come from the ad networks, because the infrastructure to make this work is already there - hopefully the ultimate form of this wouldn't require site admins to really do anything special, other than twiddling a few settings in their Google advertising accounts. The real trouble being the more people who use that kind of thing, the more the value of adverts goes down...
> * And it has to come from the ad networks, because the infrastructure to make this work is already there*
That really chaps my ass. These are the people keep shitting in the well, then installed a pipe to inject feces directly into the well and the groundwater - and you're telling us that the only way to deliver disinfectant and filtration systems is through that pipe, and we might as well keep using their system?
> The real trouble being the more people who use that kind of thing, the more the value of adverts goes down...
That does become a problem if Google is the only game in town, and you're inexplicably banned from their platform, which does tend to happen.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#166I already have an ad removal pass, it's called uBlock origin.
I use uBlock too - it's great. Sometimes a site will have an obnoxious popover or something that's usually relatively easy to create a rule for, but generally it works, and in combination with Ghostery I'm confident it's protecting me from most tracking, which is what I really want to avoid. However it is an ethical dilemma, especially in a World where Contributor exists. Content is not free, hosting is not free, dev…
I strongly disagree that contributors aren't providing content 'for free'. I request a stream of bytes from them, they provide a stream of bytes free of charge. Its up to me how I want to display those bytes, and I'm not stealing anything or breaking any contract by choosing not to render every single one.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#167It's U.S.-only? Are you kidding me? So this will actually restrict who can visit a website, as opposed to the ad-version? Whoever came up with that bright idea?
It just means people outside the U.S. will always see the ads, and won't be able to choose to pay with Contributor instead.
I'm not saying this isn't a hilarious embarrassment for a global company like Google to keep launching products U.S. only, but it's not as bad as you're making it sound: It will simply not have a noticeable impact on international users.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#168I've been participating in Google Contributor since it's inception, this is like the 3rd relaunch of the service. I have no doubt it will fail just like the past iterations because the fundamental flaw is that Google is the heart of the system and they're unwilling to extricate themselves from it. I don't think this type of service is the way forward and the solution will not come from Google or any other ad provider…
I think the whole "fill up a digital wallet with cryptocurrency" thing is what Brave is (was?) attempting but without much success. I do think it's the future, they just took the wrong approach (Replacing others' ads with your own IS going to create bad blood no matter how you spin it) and were too early for it.
The trouble with Brave's approach is that it removes the user's choice of browsers.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#169I've been participating in Google Contributor since it's inception, this is like the 3rd relaunch of the service. I have no doubt it will fail just like the past iterations because the fundamental flaw is that Google is the heart of the system and they're unwilling to extricate themselves from it. I don't think this type of service is the way forward and the solution will not come from Google or any other ad provider…
> Any payments to avoid ads served by these companies would require compensating all of these companies I think you misunderstood how this iteration of Contributor would work; the publisher integrates Google's contributor code in such a way that if you pay them, they don't show you any ads, no need to worry about the ad ecosystem. > People want to maintain their privacy I will start believing this when people start a…
> I think you misunderstood how this iteration of Contributor would work
No, I understand perfectly well how it works. If you pay Google, then Google doesn't show you ads and it gives the Content Creator a cut.
Google is part of the Ad ecosystem. Contributor not only excludes other Ad providers from participating, it also requires the Content Creator to sign up to Google's Ad ecosystem. And Google is still gathering metadata about you.
So who benefits? Google has compelled Content Creators to join it's Ad Network, Google has compelled you to disable your Ad Blocker under the guise of compensating Content Creators, Google gets paid whether it serves an ad or not, and Google gets to track you in ways it couldn't with your Ad Blocker up.
You know god damn well this system won't work with uBlock or any other 3rd Party Ad Blocker. I'm sure it will work just fine with whatever Google Ships in Chrome though.
Re: Google Contributor: Buy an ad removal pass for the web
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the whole "fill up a digital wallet with cryptocurrency" thing is what Brave is (was?) attempting but without much success. I do think it's the future, they just took the wrong approach (Replacing others' ads with your own IS going to create bad blood no matter how you spin it) and were too early for it.
The trouble with Brave's approach is that it removes the user's choice of browsers.
I can only assume this forces you to use Chrome, so it has the same issue.