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The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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Re: The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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post #9

I don't get something: if the point is to assure pensioners a pretty similar life quality to the one they have today, with shouldn't be that by 2050 it would be easy and cheap ? How does that go into the calculations , if att all ?

I think you have a point. Following your reasoning, the important thing would be not the saved money, but the investment in the real economy, material and intellectual advances starting now.

I mean, what would be the point of savings if the real economy is less productive?

Re: The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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post #3

I get how an excess of pensioners (not enough workers) in an economy can be a problem. I get how an excess of unemployed people (people without a job) can be a problem. What I don't get is how both can be a problem at the same time.

Pensioners are also "people without a job".

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post #3

I get how an excess of pensioners (not enough workers) in an economy can be a problem. I get how an excess of unemployed people (people without a job) can be a problem. What I don't get is how both can be a problem at the same time.

Pensioners are also "people without a job".

But I though that the problem with pensioners was that there was not enough young workers for maintain them, am I wrong?

excess of pensioners => not enough workers

unemployed people => excess of workers

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post #4

How can a shortfall happen, technically? I mean, why not just print enough money to inflate it, to cut real values of pensions to make ends of the system meet? After all pensioners aren't likely to riot.

After all pensioners aren't likely to riot.

I would highly recommend reading The Road To Serfdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom). It details precisely why a right wing government needs to invest in welfare and social care for this exact reason; when a government fails the poor (or the poor's parents I imagine) they have a tendency to rise up and kill all the rich people.

Re: The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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post #4

How can a shortfall happen, technically? I mean, why not just print enough money to inflate it, to cut real values of pensions to make ends of the system meet? After all pensioners aren't likely to riot.

Many pension obligations are inflation indexed and high levels of inflation distort the economy. At some point producers start hoarding raw material (or leave it in the ground) because it's more profitable to do so in the long run. This is currently what Venezuela is experiencing and rioting is the outcome.

Re: The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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post #3

I get how an excess of pensioners (not enough workers) in an economy can be a problem. I get how an excess of unemployed people (people without a job) can be a problem. What I don't get is how both can be a problem at the same time.

Imagine a desert island with three inhabitants: W, P, & U.

W climbs trees every day to fetch coconuts and then swims them across the channel to a neighboring island where she barters them away for drinking water and then swims back with jugs full of water.

P used to help W with the tree climbing, but is now too old to do the work. However, he long ago made a deal with W, and she's a man of her word, so she keeps him supplied with enough fresh water to get by every day. Still, when the yield of coconuts becomes bad, or when there's a glut of coconuts on the neighboring island, she is liable to feel that there is an excess of pensioners on the island.

U is in desperate need of water and would do almost anything, but he doesn't know how to swim or climb trees.

Now, tell me: How does the existence of U help get the fresh water that P needs? How does the existence of P help U find a way to earn his water?

Re: The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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post #15
post #4

How can a shortfall happen, technically? I mean, why not just print enough money to inflate it, to cut real values of pensions to make ends of the system meet? After all pensioners aren't likely to riot.

After all pensioners aren't likely to riot. I would highly recommend reading The Road To Serfdom ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom ). It details precisely why a right wing government needs to invest in welfare and social care for this exact reason; when a government fails the poor (or the poor's parents I imagine) they have a tendency to rise up and kill all the rich people.

So, the function of a government is to keep the people happy enough so they don't rebel. Good to know. That's illuminating (1)

1. I mean in the clarity sense, not in the 'Illuminati' conspirational sense. Well, wait, why not both?

Re: The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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Paging WI Governor Scott Walker. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/aug/14/s...

Most discussions about "fully funded" safety nets go something like this. It's the reason, so far as I can tell, why Republicans talk about social security being trillions in the hole while others point out that the money in the fund is more than sufficient. The same principle is responsible (along with other things) for suburban growth in America.

The reason is that republicans are referring to accrual accounting, while others are looking at the balance sheet. It's very uncommon to do accrual accounting in government, though I've heard rumors that military pensions are funded in this way. My understanding is that, outside the government, it is obligatory (de facto or legally, I don't know). The absence of accrual accounting is known as a Ponzi scheme in the private sector.

When you let governments reap the benefits now and pay later, they use unfunded pensions as compensation and build low-value roads to cheaply built houses built in corn fields. And for government pensions, it's impossible to sustain the required infinite growth in a finite world. In the short term, the tendency of developed nations toward low birth rates breaks the systems even before we reach space concerns.

Re: The World Economic Forum predicts a USD 400 trillion pensions shortfall by 2050

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Paging WI Governor Scott Walker. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/aug/14/s...

There is a lot of unwarranted hate for this guy. He really did get Wisconsin through some hard times with his budgeting.

(WI native)

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