What are the foreign policy implications of this? Every single other country's reaction that I've seen has been to beg the US to stay in the accord.
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the only way anyone could argue there are any pros is if they could convince me that Trump has a different long-term plan to address climate change. Unfortunately, all of his actions up to this point indicate that he doesn't have any such plan. I really wish people would stop trying to understand and rationalize this man's actions. He has no rational for what he does other than his own short-lived whims and t…
Thanks for clarifying the pros and cons of this policy without inserting any of your personal bias!
You're welcome.
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#33Response from the market: http://i.imgur.com/CDKVSWq.jpg The Paris Accord according to President Trump would have allowed China to do whatever they want for the next 13 years, while India would receive billions in aid. http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa.html - US Pledges ( 26-28%) VS. http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china.html - China Pledges (0%)
US is getting off pretty easily here, since we're only making pledges about the future, and not having to pay for what we're already putting out there.
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#34The liberals should take a page out of the Venezuelan Hunger Bonds movement and identify companies that fund climate change denial. A climate bond movement to target and blacklist company shares/bonds or other offerings would get the message across.
Could you give more information on how to do this? I'm wondering if it wouldn't be possible to build an app that recognizes brands and tells you if they are connected to the koch brothers... Like you can whip out your phone and scan a barcode at the store. It tells you climate relevant info about the product. Edit: apparently there are several apps like this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paularmstrongtech/2017/01/11/…
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#35That seems... very not clever...
Why deliberately try to piss everyone off? Why not just follow the popular approach of agreeing to some environmental agreement and then entirely ignoring it?
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#36Can someone give me pros and cons of this move (serious responses only)? Thanks
Pro: As sergiotapia mentioned, good for business because it is costly to comply. It may also not have ended up having much positive impact on the environment, there are people who can argue that for you.
Con: People who support the pact symbolically, not necessarily having any of the expertise or knowledge required to consider it, will go into a blind rage over it; actual climate scientists will be considerably more calm.
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#37The United States of America spent a hundred years building up a global leadership position. President Trump has effectively destroyed it in a mere four months.
China is adeptly stepping up to fill the void left by the United States. Last week Trump did his best to alienate America's long-standing European allies, who now feel that they are on their own against Russia's expanding European power plays. So Europe is turning to China as well.
Chinese and European leaders have scheduled a meeting tomorrow to state how they intend to expand efforts to fight climate change. Meanwhile, USA is isolating itself with Syria and Nicaragua as the only three countries to stay out of the Paris accord.
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#38Can someone give me pros and cons of this move (serious responses only)? Thanks
I think the only way anyone could argue there are any pros is if they could convince me that Trump has a different long-term plan to address climate change. Unfortunately, all of his actions up to this point indicate that he doesn't have any such plan. I really wish people would stop trying to understand and rationalize this man's actions. He has no rational for what he does other than his own short-lived whims and t…
That's a Republican orthodoxy, not just Trump. Climate change either doesn't occur, or if it occurs it's not man made, if it's man made nothing can be done. In any case, doing anything is job killing and anti freedom.
I think Trump himself doesn't care.
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#39Elon Musk just posted that he will, as promised, be quitting the presidential council: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/870369915894546432
If he did not do it, I would have to find a different car producer for my next car. So, I have to think about it.
I am not sure, if I want to support US companies in this "America first" situation. A country that so much indulges in egoism is really difficult to like.
The US produces Anti-Americanism itself.
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#40Can someone give me pros and cons of this move (serious responses only)? Thanks
I watched the announcement w/o knowing much about it. He justified the decision by saying:
- We're paying 100b/year when other developed countries do not have to. - Spending on that is unaccounted for. - The impact will be (only) a 2/10 Celcius reduction in temperature by 2100 - The positive impact by 2030 is the equivalent of what China pollutes in 14 days.
Just stating what was said. I don't know which are facts.