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Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by davrosthedalek »

SyneRyder wrote: post #82
davrosthedalek wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) only 32bit b) At what speed though? x86 emulation isn't trivial, and arm seems to be sufficiently different in architecture to incur a large translation overhead.

Microsoft has had videos out for a while of their x86 emulation. They have a demo of loading Photoshop CC, and it looks close to native speed, though I notice a bit of window refresh. Looks usable, but I'd like to see more demos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U&t=80s

But isn't Photoshop a prime example of a program you'd want to run in 64bit mode? Mo'ram mo'better?

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Post by 6Typos »

wolfgke wrote: post #99
leggomylibro wrote: post #97

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It does, and it's called ChromeOS.

So you claim ChromeOS is a window manager?

I also use this setup.

In fact, ChromeOs acts as a Window Manager, because it deals with how each application is organized in the screen/ shown to the user; in this setup, no Chrome Apps are used (only programs from chroot are used)

tl;dr: It can be thought as a WM, although it isn't one

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #11

> With a Snapdragon inside your PC, you'll no longer need Wi-Fi to fetch your latest e-mail and catch up on Twitter. Instead, you'll be able to get online wherever there's cellular connectivity. I'm not buying the optimism, especially not in the US. The cellular data is still horribly limited. In Canada it is even worse. The "unlimited" plan is surging back, but it has automatic throttling at varying points. Oh and s…

Three years ago, our local Spanish operator Movistar deployed the 4G mobile network and started offering an impressive 75 Mbps download speed and 25 Mbps upload speed.

At that point, the largest data plan you could get from them was 1 Gb per month (now I think you can get 2 or 3 Gb, not more).

This meant that if you used the connection to its capacity, you would hit the monthly cap in around 1 minute 50 seconds. With the current data plans it may last you 5 minutes or so, not more. With other operators you may get up to 8 Gb, i.e., around 15 minutes.

With the current pricing, this is the most useless technology ever. I don't know why they even bother (well, it suppose it probably has some advantages at their end as well).

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by davrosthedalek »

wyldfire wrote: post #87
albeva wrote: post #48

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This is lunacy. It will break compatibility with nearly all software out there. From games to productivity apps. Like the stuff I actually use a PC for.

Lunacy? Nah, the vast majority of software that regular people use is massively I/O bound. For the stuff that isn't (photoshop, e.g.), it will get ported. All of those non-photoshop apps will work just fine under emulation. Chrome and Edge will be ported, they'll work just fine. I predict that this will have a negligible impact on PC games. They're CPU/memory/GPU bound and will not work well under emulation. They're…

In the end it's an hen and egg problem -- you need widespread adoption of the hardware to get software ported, but also widespread porting of the software to get the hardware adopted. And intel/amd will fight hard. As long as they can instill v fear that maybe the program I'm using, or the one I want to use next week/month/year won't run, people will flog to x86. It doesn't matter so much how real that problem is, it only needs to be perceived as a problem.

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Post by pseudosavant »

johnvaluk wrote: post #105
Eridrus wrote: post #44

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Is tethering too complicated for most people? Simpler tethering seems like it would be more helpful here than a new CPU architecture that also requires people to have a second SIM they need to get on their plan.

I'd love to tether, but don't because my carrier (AT&T) won't enable it for a single device, only for all accounts on my family plan. My family could easily (even innocently) use up our monthly data allotment in a day. Also, how can you limit data usage while tethering? Can a device tell if it's tethered, or does it just assume it has a normal wifi connection? Do you need to turn off automatic updates on laptops?

The short answer is yes Windows typically does know it is on a metered connection and doesn't do anything like update downloading. If it doesn't automatically detect it you can also mark that connection as being a metered connection and it will remember it. I'm not sure about tethering but when using built-in LTE you can even set what your plan limit is.

Re: Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

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Post by dmitrygr »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #22
kevin_b_er wrote: post #11

> With a Snapdragon inside your PC, you'll no longer need Wi-Fi to fetch your latest e-mail and catch up on Twitter. Instead, you'll be able to get online wherever there's cellular connectivity. I'm not buying the optimism, especially not in the US. The cellular data is still horribly limited. In Canada it is even worse. The "unlimited" plan is surging back, but it has automatic throttling at varying points. Oh and s…

To MS's credit, Win10 does have a metered connection mode that tries to save data. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/instantanswers/633571e5-... Not sure how this is worse than what Android or iPhone do. My apps are constantly chatting on the internet and I have zero visibility over it and any attempt to control it involves a lot of behind the scenes controls not obvious to the end user.

It ignores that setting for updates, telemetry, etc

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Post by problems »

MichaelGG wrote: post #106
flavio81 wrote: post #77

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Productivity apps are almost never developed in assembly language. They are developed in some high level language, so for each of such language, assuming the Windows 10 APIs are the same (which they WILL be, no need to change them): - Java Java applications will not require any recompilations, they will run immediately because they run on a JVM - C#/VB/F# Those applications still will run right away because they run…

Memory model and byte order is enough to add breakage to stuff written in all of those languages.

I believe Java and C# enforce specific byte orders to get around this issue, so I doubt you'll see a problem there unless interacting with C++ libraries.

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Post by hermitdev »

dmitrygr wrote: post #116
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To MS's credit, Win10 does have a metered connection mode that tries to save data. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/instantanswers/633571e5-... Not sure how this is worse than what Android or iPhone do. My apps are constantly chatting on the internet and I have zero visibility over it and any attempt to control it involves a lot of behind the scenes controls not obvious to the end user.

It ignores that setting for updates, telemetry, etc

No it doesn't. Automatic updates will not occur over metered connections. Manually initiated, sure. Unsure about telemetry.
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