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Re: Live TV on Plex

#41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Plex DVR works with cable too-- get a HDHomerun Prime and slot in a cablecard. Of course some cableTV providers (Time-Warner/Spectrum in particular) mark every program with CCI 0x02 "copy-once" DRM, and very few DVRs other than TiVo and Windows Media Center (RIP) allow you to record that due to standard cable company evil.

I wonder if it works with the ATI TV Wonder Digital Cable CableCARD Tuner. I'm still running it with Windows 8 Media Center Edition w/o any problems after 7 years of continuous use! Edit: I just saw their Supported DVR Devices and Antennas web page[1] and ATI isn't listed :( [1] https://support.plex.tv/hc/en-us/articles/225877427

I'd give it a shot. If it works you can have them update the compatibility.

Re: Live TV on Plex

#42

The original title "#$%@ it! We’ll do it live!" is a reference to Bill O'Reilly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_HyZ5aW76c

While I should clarify that I don't care in the slightest, I did find it interesting that they decided to use a Bill O'Reilly quote to title the post, given all of the controversy around him lately. Not that I think it is offensive, I just think it's interesting to consider which companies would do that and which ones wouldn't

I no longer associate this with Bill O'Reilly, and I even forgot that it was something he said. It just feels like a very common expression now.

Re: Live TV on Plex

#43
As first a MythTV, then SageTV and now NetFlix+Plex user, I have found the evolution of this tech both fascinating and frustrating.

I started a dozen or so years ago with MythTV and a Hauppauge tuner card, in an old PC directly connected to the (one) TV, and using an IR remote to control it. Over time I added another dual tuner card, and had both cable and OTA channels. MythTV had commercial skipping built in, and as I watched basically 100% recorded content, this was the beginning of me never seeing commercials.

Eventually I moved into a bigger house and got married, and we had two TVs. I didn't have a space PC, nor did I want to have an entire PC dedicated to being a client -- and at least at the time, using multiple MythTV clients with a single server was a bit clunky. After seeing the nice setup at a friend's, I jumped to SageTV and started using their media extender boxes (HD300)[1]. As a SageTV client they were better in every way: cheaper, less power, zero maintenance.

The HD300 remote even had programmable "TV power" and volume buttons, so since that was the only device connected it was also the only remote I needed. This feature has never been matched, and since moving away from SageTV I've always had either two remotes or had to program a Logitech Harmony remote.

I even moved the SageTV server PC to a utility room, disconnecting it from the TV and replaced it with an HD300.

SageTV still supported my tuner cards, and though not built-in, there were plugins to do commercial skipping. At some point in there I had also switched to a SiliconDust tuner to get digital channels.

Then, Google bought SageTV [2] and basically killed the core product.

It was around the same time my cable company was encrypting the last of all their digital channels (so my tuner cards were not usable anymore) and I was considering Netflix, so I started looking for a device to replace the HD300 that could still get SageTV content, but also Netflix, YouTube and whatever else.

I went through a bunch of sub-par solutions: BluRay player, Roku box, some other (pre-Android) streaming box and a Chromecast. I even resorted to low-power mini-ITX PC running Windows -- but the only way to get NetFlix was to use a keyboard and mouse. The Chromecast came close, but it was annoying to have to use a phone/laptop to view anything.

Everything just felt like it was getting worse and worse from my old SageTV setup. SageTV couldn't handle NetFlix, and even the SageTV YouTube app broke because YouTube's old API was finally discontinued.

We moved again, and had a child (and our TV viewing went down considerably), so really just use a single TV now. I eventually settled on using an Nvidia Shield (running AndroidTV), and it's better in basically every way except for OTA/cable/DVR stuff -- and so we entirely dropped that. I stuck the Chromecast on the other TV that we just use for the treadmill and can live with that.

There's a certain irony here. There's a lot more available on Digital OTA now (getting around encrypted digital cable), and now the current software that runs on modern hardware is able to do Live TV and DVR again... but is it relevant?

For one, I've spent 12 years without commercials, so without the automatic commercial skip even the DVR isn't that interesting to me. Secondly, I've replaced all my old media sources and/or stopped caring about the ones I couldn't replace.

It seems to me that DVR software, the client hardware and online media software/services have all had their own peaks and valleys over the years, and they've never all peaked at the same time.

The combination of HD300-style client hardware, with AndroidTV's online content apps, SageTV's LiveTV/DVR/commercial skipping, and the unencrypted digital cable of ~2010 would be my ideal -- I just don't ever see it happening ever again.

[1] http://www.geektonic.com/2010/08/sagetv-hd300-hd-theater-gee... [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=google+buys+sagetv&tbm=nws

Re: Live TV on Plex

#44
This is a great idea and an exciting feature, but I wish it came to a better product. I've run into endless bugs with Chromecast streaming and library management with Plex.

When I google solutions to these problems, I find threads up to two years old and end with Plex staff 1) not responding, or 2) saying, "We'll fix it eventually." And after two years they haven't!

That's not even counting how buggy or nonfunctional most channels are.

So glad I never bought the Plex Pass- wouldn't be right to give these people any more money when their product is so unreliable.

Re: Live TV on Plex

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>To summarize, we’ve just made Plex an even more awesome choice for the aspiring cord-cutter I think it's a pretty neat feature for people who still find it hard to get away from TV for reasons like the live channels (sports). They can still make use of DVR features and watch stuff on Plex like they don't even have a tv subscription. Except in this case they still get the big bill every month and lovely commercials.

Except sports channels are not over the air and thus won't work with this...

Plex DVR supports the HDHomeRun Prime, which is a Cablecard tuner.

Re: Live TV on Plex

#46
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think a cable subscriber is the intended customer here. Most of the cable providers encrypt everything now. I think this is more aimed at OTA.

It will work with an HDHomeRun Prime[1], a cableCard tuner[2]. So, as long as your cable company supports cableCard, then you should be able to get it to work. [1] https://www.plex.tv/features/live-tv-dvr/ [2] https://www.silicondust.com/product/hdhomerun-prime/

Not exactly, 'protected' channels are only supported by Windows Media Center, TiVo and SiliconDust's DVR right now. But majority of the channels on cable networks aren't protected, as long as you're not with TWC or Cox anyways..

Re: Live TV on Plex

#47

I've been using a Ceton Infinitv tuner with WMC and ServerWMC for the last 5 years. I use Kodi as a PVR interface and my interface for TV shows/ Movies on my file server. I don't see any advantage to Plex, you need to pay for the service and it's a PIA to setup and configure. Once configured, don't plan on using the computer you setup the Media server on as it is always busy/ bogged down scanning files and transcodin…

> you need to pay for the service

No, you don't. Source: I've had an account for years and am not paying anything.

> it's a PIA to setup and configure.

You add folders to a TV and Movies collection once. With Kodi, you're doing it N times, where N is the number of Kodi installs in your house.

> Once configured, don't plan on using the computer you setup the Media server on as it is always busy/ bogged down scanning files and transcoding video

As others have stated, this is not the case. My Plex server is an old Core2Duo MacBook Pro that also runs virtual machines.

Re: Live TV on Plex

#48
post #44

This is a great idea and an exciting feature, but I wish it came to a better product. I've run into endless bugs with Chromecast streaming and library management with Plex. When I google solutions to these problems, I find threads up to two years old and end with Plex staff 1) not responding, or 2) saying, "We'll fix it eventually." And after two years they haven't! That's not even counting how buggy or nonfunctional…

It seems a lot of people in this thread are blaming Plex for their own low-quality hardware and/or lack of knowledge.

I have a >10tb collection in Plex and stream to a Nexus Player (among many other devices, some over WAN) with zero issues. The biggest "issue" I've ever faced is that sometimes I need to lower my playback quality to 720p when I'm streaming over WiFi.

So glad I bought the lifetime Plex pass- I am happy to support the folks who made such a reliable and lovely product.

Generally speaking, if you are having issues with a product that is almost universally beloved by tens of thousands of paying customers, the issue is most likely on your end.

edit: The downvoters are going wild in this thread. Anyone who advocates Plex is being buried. For a moment I thought I was back on reddit!

Re: Live TV on Plex

#49
post #44

This is a great idea and an exciting feature, but I wish it came to a better product. I've run into endless bugs with Chromecast streaming and library management with Plex. When I google solutions to these problems, I find threads up to two years old and end with Plex staff 1) not responding, or 2) saying, "We'll fix it eventually." And after two years they haven't! That's not even counting how buggy or nonfunctional…

Like searching based on filename when metadata isn't available, or showing long filenames in search results. These are considered to be stupid last time I bothered checking and I've since given up. It's a bizarre culture.

Re: Live TV on Plex

#50
post #44

This is a great idea and an exciting feature, but I wish it came to a better product. I've run into endless bugs with Chromecast streaming and library management with Plex. When I google solutions to these problems, I find threads up to two years old and end with Plex staff 1) not responding, or 2) saying, "We'll fix it eventually." And after two years they haven't! That's not even counting how buggy or nonfunctional…

We stream off plex to a multitude of devices, iOS/tvOS/desktops/Sonos/Android/Samsung (older)/Samsung (Tizen) and it's rock solid. Specifically never tried a chromecast, though. Plex Pass is one of the best home entertainment investments I ever made.
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