"Tesla added that Vandermeyden had been granted numerous positions over other more qualified candidates and was given special treatment and opportunities for advancement that were unwarranted based on her qualifications”. Its amazing to see a company so openly admit that it gives special treatment to some employees. Everyone suspects that to be the case but nobody says a thing. Maybe the rest of us should file lawsui…
Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
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Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
>What is the Guardian's agenda here? To make money by getting clicks/selling papers. This story deals with the coolest company led by the coolest CEO in the coolest sector and that same sector is known for having "problems" with women. Of course it's a story.
It get it. It just saddens me that basically all media outlets are in the business of clickbait now. Even supposedly 'good' ones like The Guardian. Everything is twisted into the most sensationalist phrasing possible.
See good Guardian articles here: https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/the-long-read
Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#93This sounds terrible for Tesla in many directions. Either she is right, in which case Tesla sounds very bad. Alternatively, Tesla is completely right (which I personally don't believe), in which case as they confess that : "Vandermeyden had been granted numerous positions “over other more qualified candidates” and was “given special treatment and opportunities for advancement that were unwarranted based on her qualif…
Why is it bad to admit that? She's fired now anyways.
Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#94This sounds terrible for Tesla in many directions. Either she is right, in which case Tesla sounds very bad. Alternatively, Tesla is completely right (which I personally don't believe), in which case as they confess that : "Vandermeyden had been granted numerous positions “over other more qualified candidates” and was “given special treatment and opportunities for advancement that were unwarranted based on her qualif…
I would find it amusing if Tesla won the case against her, and then lost the case against a male engineer she was promoted over, based on those statements -- you know, for sexist promotions.
Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#95The scenario: we were working on a prototype project that would yield preferential standards for implementation around a certain set of components. Our team consisted of 7 people. Roughly 2 months worth of effort, given the systems involved. Our objective was to present a unified opinion for implementation standards of said components, with everyone on the team supporting the opinion. I was the lead engineer of the group, and we reported to a VP/Eng.
At the conclusion of the project, we had evaluated multiple approaches as a group and prepared to make a suggestion for presentation to the eng group as a whole. In the process of doing so, one engineer pushed for an approach that had been rejected by everyone on the team. Despite our reasons for rejection, this engineer refused to advocate for another approach that the rest of the team had coalesced around. We went to our VP for support, who agreed with the findings of the rest of the team. Decision made, presentation made, and the project is completed.
Two weeks later, I receive a call from an HR representative to schedule a "deposition" (their words, but no lawyers involved.) They ask a ton of questions, which progressively become more ambiguous.
- "Have you observed anyone on the team making racial or sexist comments?"
- "Is anyone on the team overtly driven by race, religion, gender, or a personal cause?"
- "Have you observed anyone receiving preferential treatment on the team?"
- "Have you noticed any problematic or contentious interactions across members of your team?"
It was difficult to answer definitively to these types of questions, but it was completely intentional. The company was going out of it's way to assess whether the accuser's claims held any merit. The company did find the accuser's claims as meritless, but not without close examination from every angle.The accusation: the engineer complained they had been discriminated against by the VP because of their gender, sexual orientation, and nationality. And the proof, per the accuser, was that the engineer's suggested approach from our project had been rejected. Oddly enough, the HR representative never asked me about that aspect.
One thing I learned from that experience is that public commentary about harassment situations isn't so simple as it is often described.
Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#96Their head of HR just left last week. The replacement is from EA, a company who really knows how to handle their employees. https://www.buzzfeed.com/carolineodonovan/following-allegati...
In fact, they probably surpassed EA when employees dropped on the floor at work due to too much work.
Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the event of sexual harassment, you may be right. Certainly, female sexual rights have been a moral point of interest for a century or so, and it's not one that shared by all cultures today. And it was shared by almost none in pre-industrial societies. So, I'm not sure there's the level of proof that it's a "fundamental human right" in the way that liberty has been proven in political philosophy. But praveenbeatle…
Praveenbeatle has been downvoted, but they made a good point. It seems like this stuff has become so politically charged that it's almost impossible to have a non-toxic conversation about it. Of course it's true (sadly) that sexual harassment happens. It's also true that some women are almost comically hypersensitive about this stuff (like the "dongle" incident at that Python conference).
I'm trying just to be argumentative, but try not to turn this into a men Vs women argument, that is a lot of the problem.
Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Not being sexually harassed" is not a political ideology, it's a fundamental human right.
In the event of sexual harassment, you may be right. Certainly, female sexual rights have been a moral point of interest for a century or so, and it's not one that shared by all cultures today. And it was shared by almost none in pre-industrial societies. So, I'm not sure there's the level of proof that it's a "fundamental human right" in the way that liberty has been proven in political philosophy. But praveenbeatle…
"liberty is a fundamental human right unless youre born the wrong sex and want to govern your private parts"
Re: Tesla fires female engineer who alleged sexual harassment
#99Wow, they should not have made that statement. Why was she given these opportunities? Was there a sexual element? If those who were more qualified get a whiff of this they might have a pretty good case purely based on this statement of fact. I am not a lawyer but have dealt with enough legal crap to know you do not make statements like that. I cringe to think that a lawyer advised them to say this or was OK with making such a statement.
As for the merits of the case. Don't have a clue. That's what court is for.
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#100"Tesla added that Vandermeyden had been granted numerous positions over other more qualified candidates and was given special treatment and opportunities for advancement that were unwarranted based on her qualifications”. Its amazing to see a company so openly admit that it gives special treatment to some employees. Everyone suspects that to be the case but nobody says a thing. Maybe the rest of us should file lawsui…
“[Her termination] was absolutely shocking for AJ. She is devastated,”
Really? I find that very hard to believe. If you hate a company so much you're willing to SUE them and make it public, then these two things seem irreconcilable.