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Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by Cyph0n » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:47 PM UTC

vtange wrote: post #17

SurrealSoul wrote: post #7

Kind of a personal story, but my fiancé is from Beijing. She found out about Tiananmen square about a year ago. She only knew that she shouldn't ask about the Tiananmen incident growing up and that it was a bad thing that happened. She has been in the states for several years now and when she found out what really happened with our even blurry images and stories we have now it really changed her perspective on things…

And the worst part about having to move out of country to find out things that were censored/hidden? You'll be inclined to believe foreign nations have a negative bias towards China. At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative.

Isn't that exactly the case in some instances? Every country and, by extension, news channel has its own agenda to push.

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by emodendroket » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:47 PM UTC

vtange wrote: post #17

SurrealSoul wrote: post #7

Kind of a personal story, but my fiancé is from Beijing. She found out about Tiananmen square about a year ago. She only knew that she shouldn't ask about the Tiananmen incident growing up and that it was a bad thing that happened. She has been in the states for several years now and when she found out what really happened with our even blurry images and stories we have now it really changed her perspective on things…

And the worst part about having to move out of country to find out things that were censored/hidden? You'll be inclined to believe foreign nations have a negative bias towards China. At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative.

One thing doesn't prove or disprove the other really.

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by wyuenho » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:47 PM UTC

vtange wrote: post #17

SurrealSoul wrote: post #7

Kind of a personal story, but my fiancé is from Beijing. She found out about Tiananmen square about a year ago. She only knew that she shouldn't ask about the Tiananmen incident growing up and that it was a bad thing that happened. She has been in the states for several years now and when she found out what really happened with our even blurry images and stories we have now it really changed her perspective on things…

And the worst part about having to move out of country to find out things that were censored/hidden? You'll be inclined to believe foreign nations have a negative bias towards China. At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative.

Or extreme emotional devastation that lead to extreme hatred towards the CCP government. Finding out you've been lied to your entire life WILL shock you to the core.

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by Angostura » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:50 PM UTC

throw2016 wrote: post #13

Without wishing away the massacre or diminishing the kind of despotic environment that allows this to happen shouldn't the same kind of moral reprehension be expressed for the massive loss of life in the middle east from Libya, Iraq to Syria? Yet we rarely see this in the same context as these actions continue to be pursued aggressively with little resistance from citizens in the west. This seems to a very selective…

The same kind of moral reprehension absolutely were expressed during the period of the 'Arab Spring'

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by SurrealSoul » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:52 PM UTC

vtange wrote: post #17

SurrealSoul wrote: post #7

Kind of a personal story, but my fiancé is from Beijing. She found out about Tiananmen square about a year ago. She only knew that she shouldn't ask about the Tiananmen incident growing up and that it was a bad thing that happened. She has been in the states for several years now and when she found out what really happened with our even blurry images and stories we have now it really changed her perspective on things…

And the worst part about having to move out of country to find out things that were censored/hidden? You'll be inclined to believe foreign nations have a negative bias towards China. At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative.

To be fair, USA hardly ever reports positive articles about China. We didn't report on their moon landing until a year after it happened and many people don't even know it happened at all.

Same goes with their space station. The only coverage went to their previous one that is leaving orbit into earth.

I know that this is a small sample size and only related to their space program as well as my personal observations, but its really hard (for me at least) to say that the USA media does not have a negative bias towards China

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by williw » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:52 PM UTC

SurrealSoul wrote: post #7

Kind of a personal story, but my fiancé is from Beijing. She found out about Tiananmen square about a year ago. She only knew that she shouldn't ask about the Tiananmen incident growing up and that it was a bad thing that happened. She has been in the states for several years now and when she found out what really happened with our even blurry images and stories we have now it really changed her perspective on things…

How old is she? I was maybe 8 at the time. I was not in Beijing. Even I knew what was happening, the event was broadcasted on TV at the time. It was probably heavily censored, but I knew demonstrations etc were going on in Beijing at the time.

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by vtange » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:54 PM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #31

vtange wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the worst part about having to move out of country to find out things that were censored/hidden? You'll be inclined to believe foreign nations have a negative bias towards China. At least, that's China's (and Russia's) narrative.

Isn't that exactly the case in some instances? Every country and, by extension, news channel has its own agenda to push.

Yes, but in places where say news organizations are tightly controlled by the state, it is much easier to push a nationalistic, "my-country-can-do-no-wrong" agenda than in places where multiple parties push for agendas that help point out flaws that need to be mended in a country.

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by Markoff » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:54 PM UTC

SurrealSoul wrote: post #7

Kind of a personal story, but my fiancé is from Beijing. She found out about Tiananmen square about a year ago. She only knew that she shouldn't ask about the Tiananmen incident growing up and that it was a bad thing that happened. She has been in the states for several years now and when she found out what really happened with our even blurry images and stories we have now it really changed her perspective on things…

there are much better previous pictures and video footage compared to this so not sure why you are so thankful, for starters watch on YouTube The Tankman

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by SurrealSoul » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:54 PM UTC

williw wrote: post #36

SurrealSoul wrote: post #7

Kind of a personal story, but my fiancé is from Beijing. She found out about Tiananmen square about a year ago. She only knew that she shouldn't ask about the Tiananmen incident growing up and that it was a bad thing that happened. She has been in the states for several years now and when she found out what really happened with our even blurry images and stories we have now it really changed her perspective on things…

How old is she? I was maybe 8 at the time. I was not in Beijing. Even I knew what was happening, the event was broadcasted on TV at the time. It was probably heavily censored, but I knew demonstrations etc were going on in Beijing at the time.

She is 25, so not old enough to comprehend it as it happened certainly.

Re: Hidden Away for 28 Years, Tiananmen Protest Pictures See Light of Day

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Post by mahyarm » Thu, Jun 01, 2017, 4:55 PM UTC

JabavuAdams wrote: post #11

blackbagboys wrote: post #2

An inspiring collection of photos, but I'd bet it attracts little interest outside a few select, irrelevant circles. One of the most heartbreaking thing about the massacre is not just that the mass murderers who ordered it were never held responsible but that today it barely even tarnishes their reputations, while the memory of their victims has been thoroughly suppressed.

I'm going to take a kind of despicable position. We don't know what would have happened had the protests been allowed to continue. China is a vast country with mostly poor, uneducated people -- especially so in 1989. Look at what happened in Syria. Look at the Arab spring. Is it just to kill hundreds, to prevent the slaughter of hundreds of thousands? If the answer is no, never, I don't see how we can have states at…

We could apply the same logic to the entire Chinese communist revolution then. If it didn't happen then china might be Taiwan today vs. the polluted authoritarian land it is now. The famine which killed 15-45 million people and did a lot more damage on top of that probably would of never happened. The 'cultural revolution' wouldn't gut their intellectual class and set china back even further.