Perl always reminds me of this guy :) https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7130-the_perl_jam_2
Perl 5.26.0 released
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Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#12Guys I am genuinely asking this and I have zero intent on bashing on Perl. What is the position of Perl industry right now? how much it can compete with Python. Where does it compete? is it on losing side ? P.S. I am student and I have no real perspective on what is going on in industry right now.
Even now I start web-projects with Perl.
It's not "cool", it's not "sexy", but there package collection (http://cpan.org/) is __huge__.
I find it unlikely that new people will suddenly rediscover perl, in the golang/node.js/python-centric state the world is in. But the people who love it, do continue to love it, and do continue to do useful and essential things with it.
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#13Wow, I haven't looked at Perl in a while, but all sorts of numbers mentioned in the announcement really surprise me. Btw., as mentioned in announcement. The actual changes are here, if you missed that: https://metacpan.org/pod/release/XSAWYERX/perl-5.26.0/pod/pe...
Yes, impressive community effort for a language that... Well... I have heard nothing good about in any "at the water cooler" conversation that I was ever in, over the past fifteen years or so. Except, of course, that Perl is awesome at regular expressions, an advantage that most languages must have caught up on, no? Not for nothing Perl shows up in most hated-lists all around town (top 10 at Stack Overflow).
I wouldn't call it impressive. 2 months too late, too many bugs, horrible security, not much improvements, still doing more destruction than good.
Compare it to the "non-community" professional effort https://github.com/perl11/cperl/releases/tag/cperl-5.26.0 http://perl11.org/cperl/perl5260cdelta.html
regular expressions are much better with pcre2, which almost work (50% faster) with https://metacpan.org/pod/re::engine::PCRE2
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#14Perl always reminds me of this guy :) https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7130-the_perl_jam_2
I watched the video some time ago and what bothers me is that the author pretends to have hacked Perl while in fact he just found that some people are using a commonly used Perl module (DBI) the wrong way whereas the right way is well documented. A similar thing would be to blame PHP for allowing SQL injections through unescaped user input: I am sure it happens a lot, but who would blame PHP.
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#15Guys I am genuinely asking this and I have zero intent on bashing on Perl. What is the position of Perl industry right now? how much it can compete with Python. Where does it compete? is it on losing side ? P.S. I am student and I have no real perspective on what is going on in industry right now.
I don't use Perl for anything that I suspect will amount to more than 1,000 lines of code.
But for smaller scripts that automate tedious tasks or massage data to connect two otherwise software systems or generate a report-ish overview of a database/table, it is very hard to beat. Ruby comes close, but then again, Perl has been relentlessly optimized and fine-tuned over the last ~15 years, so for the stereotypical use-cases it is actually very fast, even compared to what one could cook up in C without weeks of hand-optimization and tweaking.
Someone once said that Perl is to batch-processing of text what Emacs is to interactive editing. I think the comparison is somewhat accurate.
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#16Guys I am genuinely asking this and I have zero intent on bashing on Perl. What is the position of Perl industry right now? how much it can compete with Python. Where does it compete? is it on losing side ? P.S. I am student and I have no real perspective on what is going on in industry right now.
There are still jobs specially on the banking sector, but these are not the kind of jobs you want. Its position in the industry is somewhat dying as I'm not aware of many new projects being written in it. I am myself in the process of phasing out a significant Perl codebase in exchange for Java.
I think it cannot compete with Python at its current state. This has nothing to do with the language (I consider Perl to be vastly superior) but rather its ecosystem and lack of momentum.
Concerning scientific programming, PDL used to be among the first choices but I'm not even sure if it's being used in bioinformatics anymore.
Its last nail in the coffin was missing the DevOps hype-train (Puppet, Chef...)
So even though the language is awesome I wouldn't recommend a developer in 2017 to learn it
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#17Guys I am genuinely asking this and I have zero intent on bashing on Perl. What is the position of Perl industry right now? how much it can compete with Python. Where does it compete? is it on losing side ? P.S. I am student and I have no real perspective on what is going on in industry right now.
Mostly legacy. perl5 is not developed anymore, just managed to death compared to the other big 3. Of the big 4 only php managed to improve itself significantly, but it's still only php.
perl5 is still top 10, runs tons of code, has one of the hugest library codebases (CPAN), and is much easier to use than e.g. python or php. ruby is better, but slower. You cannot use simply a repl in whitespace formatted language (python), and trivial scripts get soon overly large. with perl sysadmin tasks or extending bash scripts is trivial. why gdb chose python over perl is not a technical decision (perl would have fit much better), but more a management decision. perl5 is going nowhere, and python is also stagnating, just slower. with ruby there still is a bit of hope. php done everything right, but still got its legacy coders and the horribly designed old stdlib.
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, impressive community effort for a language that... Well... I have heard nothing good about in any "at the water cooler" conversation that I was ever in, over the past fifteen years or so. Except, of course, that Perl is awesome at regular expressions, an advantage that most languages must have caught up on, no? Not for nothing Perl shows up in most hated-lists all around town (top 10 at Stack Overflow).
I wouldn't call it impressive. 2 months too late, too many bugs, horrible security, not much improvements, still doing more destruction than good. Compare it to the "non-community" professional effort https://github.com/perl11/cperl/releases/tag/cperl-5.26.0 http://perl11.org/cperl/perl5260cdelta.html regular expressions are much better with pcre2, which almost work (50% faster) with https://metacpan.org/pod/re::engi…
Mmm, it'd be more honest to point out that "the effort" is your effort
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, impressive community effort for a language that... Well... I have heard nothing good about in any "at the water cooler" conversation that I was ever in, over the past fifteen years or so. Except, of course, that Perl is awesome at regular expressions, an advantage that most languages must have caught up on, no? Not for nothing Perl shows up in most hated-lists all around town (top 10 at Stack Overflow).
I wouldn't call it impressive. 2 months too late, too many bugs, horrible security, not much improvements, still doing more destruction than good. Compare it to the "non-community" professional effort https://github.com/perl11/cperl/releases/tag/cperl-5.26.0 http://perl11.org/cperl/perl5260cdelta.html regular expressions are much better with pcre2, which almost work (50% faster) with https://metacpan.org/pod/re::engi…
Reini, aren't you the sole dev working on cperl, the fork you set up because you disagreed with some of the patchs perl-porters accepted/rejected?
Re: Perl 5.26.0 released
#20Guys I am genuinely asking this and I have zero intent on bashing on Perl. What is the position of Perl industry right now? how much it can compete with Python. Where does it compete? is it on losing side ? P.S. I am student and I have no real perspective on what is going on in industry right now.
I don't use Perl for anything that I suspect will amount to more than 1,000 lines of code. But for smaller scripts that automate tedious tasks or massage data to connect two otherwise software systems or generate a report-ish overview of a database/table, it is very hard to beat. Ruby comes close, but then again, Perl has been relentlessly optimized and fine-tuned over the last ~15 years, so for the stereotypical use…
on the contrary perl5 has been relentlessly de-optimized and destroyed over the last ~15 years by its maintainers. how did you get to this interesting opinion? do you really believe the p5p marketing hype?
perl5.6.2 still blows away all newer releases performance and memory usage wise. 15 years ago the author was still active.