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The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

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Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

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Bureaucrats, allied with progressives and public sector unions, work vigorously to make government as expensive and inefficient as possible. In the United States, they are succeeding very well.

Medicare runs much more cheaply than private insurance companies. Since there are examples of where your claim is false suggests to me that you are possibly wrong. Do you have evidence of this conspiracy?

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

#12

  That suggests that U.S. costs are high due to general
  inefficiency [...] Americans have simply ponied up more
  and more cash over the years while ignoring the fact that
  they were getting less and less for their money.
There's a general effect in political systems, that if a law takes $20 from 1,000,000 people and gives $100,000 to 200 people, the people who lose money won't have enough incentive to put up a big fight; but the people who receive money will have more than enough motivation.

For example, if a big irrigation project will force taxpayers to subsidise corporate farms, the corporations have a big incentive to spend on ads and campaign contributions. Or if you have to give $60 to a private company for tax filing software, they have a big incentive to lobby and make campaign contributions to keep the tax system complicated.

I'm sure construction projects are subject to the same pro-waste incentives.

I'm not sure what the solution to this is - campaign finance reform, perhaps?

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

#13
I have been wondering lately if we have become so dependent on certain sectors of the US economy (housing, infrastructure, healthcare, education) that risk aversion is suffocating innovation.

No one wants to send their kid to an unproven, experimental university. No city wants to beta test a new style of road building. No patient wants to be the first to try a new treatment. We are so dependent on these things that the cost of failure is astronomical. Because no one is willing to try new methods of doing things, costs never go down. There are marginal improvements, for sure, but no disruptive changes.

It feels like a weird manifestation of NIMBYism. We all want innovation, but we want to test it on someone else first.

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

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The fastest that I've seen infrastructure put up in the US is where there are toll roads being built.

I suspect this is because there is a high incentivize to get a toll road up quickly and start generating revenue to pay back the initial investment.

Residents generally hate tolls, but its a good motivator for infrastructure to go up quickly.

I never understood why similar incentives wouldn't kick in for mass transit projects.

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

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I posted this here the other day, I'm not a civil engineer so I'm sure there are things I'm missing but the idea seems to have some merit: https://www.jefftk.com/p/replace-infrastructure-wholesale

It doesn't address any of the numerous political issues with American infrastructure, but it could be good for repair and maintenance

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

#16
Vague talk of inefficiency in construction isn't really very informative. Has anyone ever done a study where they take two very similar projects — building a medium sized office building, for example — in the US and China, and following them both from beginning to end, auditing exactly how much money and time is spent on each stage? It seems like this would provide a useful basis for comparison.

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

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post #5

From my perspective infrastructure is politically driven in the US. Projects are debated for decades, over this time changes are made to placate some groups and buy the support from other groups, and create jobs for some politician, until it baloons into something that is many billions of dollars. Then it is built as a one off mega project. At this point it should be killed but this is seen as the only way to get stu…

I think the one off nature of projects is the problem. There is no coherent long term plan.

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

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This reflects in health care as well. American health care costs about twice as much as it does in every other first-world nation. Those systems run the gamut from fully socialist to mostly privatized, but they all share a common feature - they provide universal coverage at half the cost of the American system. That says there's something uniquely broken in our model.

Infrastructure? Same thing. There's something distinctly American in how slow and expensive it is. These are systemic issues, not some single-cause thing that [liberals|conservatives] can finger-point to a partisan villain.

Re: The US has forgotten how to do infrastructure

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It costs extra because CORRUPTION. They're skimming off the top at every level, and that's why they can't let anyone investigate.

> It costs extra because CORRUPTION

Come now, citizen, you used the wrong word.

In newspeak the word is "Profit".

Every company working on a project deserves to make profit, right? and they deserve to make more profit than ever before, right? So they made $100 million in profit 10 years ago, $1 billion last year, you know for sure they are going to make > $1 billion this year, otherwise they are an outright failure.

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