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Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski

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Re: Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski

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Of course, whatever salary he was making is far less interesting than the direct benefit of the original Otto acquisition.

Much/most of it was probably tied to his continued employment

Wouldn't that be the case only if his employment was that valuable? If the acquisition was purely for IP, his employment could just be a byproduct of that.

Re: Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One result of the injunction (all of the hearings up until now) was that uber needs to use all of its power to compel levandowski to testify, the extreme limit of which is firing him. Uber followed through as was legally required How does firing him equate to pressuring him to testify?

What else would you have them do? Jail him? Torture him? The company has limited tools at its disposal the ultimate one being to fire the person.

You could fire him and then write a public post explaining that he was fired because of rank incompetence and unethical dealings. Just saying.

(IANAL but if I were I would probably not counsel doing that in any case. :-P )

Re: Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski

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Interesting. The situation between Uber and Levendowski always reminded me of the prisoner dilemma. If one bails on the other, might the other starts talking about what really happened? I think that staying together would have been the best course of action for Uber. Very interesting to see how this will develop.

If you talk about what happened it doesn't magically mean all the punishment falls on the other side. If Levendowski admits to breaking the law he'll be punished, no matter if he is or isn't friends with Uber at the time.

Depends. If the story is how Waymo pictured it (the entire acquisition was an orchestrated plan with Uber to take IPs out of Google), if I were Levandowski I'd be reaching out to Waymo and propose a deal. I'll give you information to crucify Uber but you let me go. I guess Waymo is after Uber more than a single engineer.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although for the sake of this discussion I agree with you, I could have a lot of fun making a list entitled, "things companies have done to people that are worse than firing them."

And most of those things would also go on a list called "illegal things companies have done". Probably not a good idea to do something illegal in the middle of a lawsuit.

http://lostinjapan.groth.hm/archives/2010/04/sitting-at-the-... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/17/business/global/layoffs-il...

Legend has it that Japanese companies, rather than terminate under-performing employees, will seat them "at the window" and not assign them any tasks at all ... This is not terribly compelling short-term, but is horribly boring .

Re: Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski

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In the USA legal system, this would be (at best) witness tampering and possibly obstruction of justice. Federal witness tampering and obstruction are things that _very_ few lawyers would knowingly participate in because you don't have to be successful to be convicted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness_tampering

Uber: Hey, we're really sorry that things didn't work out but "here's some equity for the time that you worked here" oh and by the way here's the estimated value of that equity if we win the lawsuit or don't win the law suit.

You're replying to a comment that mentioned witness tampering, and your proposed solution is more witness tampering? You know those non-technical people who think themselves clever by suggesting "all they need to do is make the computer understand human speech, then..."? Yeah, that's what this thread probably sounds like to a lawyer or judge.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What else would you have them do? Jail him? Torture him? The company has limited tools at its disposal the ultimate one being to fire the person.

It also probably means that Levandowski loses some or all of his compensation for Uber's acquisition of Otto, right? From what I recall, that purchase was made in Uber stock, and I'd expect it to have a vesting schedule. Depending on the length of the initial cliff, it seems possible that he hasn't vested any of that stock. I am speculating though and don't know for sure.

My understanding is that the vesting started when he left Google/Waymo. Uber made vesting retroactive back to Otto's nominal start date. This has been called out by Waymo's lawyers.

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I think no one will ever dare to hire Levandowski. His career is over. Maybe still too early to draw any conclusion, but I can't seem to have any counter potential excuse or reason to believe the self-driving programs weren't stolen. Why on earth would someone like him do that? Conceited arrogance? Now I don't understand taking the Fifth. If everyone takes the Fifth, how do you convict someone? Find evidences, and ha…

Well, if my understanding is correct, he made something like ~$120M when he left Google and a similar lump sum (most in Uber stock) when Otto was acquired by Uber. I don't think he'll have problems in paying bills and rent (if he manages to stay out of jail). Plus, I'd not expect someone of that seniority to "apply for a job" - but most likely, start new ventures.

Re: Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski

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Couldn't google offer him immunity of sorts in return for spilling the beans on Uber ? They dont need to claw back the money, it is pocket change to them. Restricting Uber from entering that market (on potentially near equal footing) is far more valuable.

In spite of what you see on TV, it's not up to a victim to decide whether or not to press criminal charges in the end. That's up to the attorney general usually.

Victims can choose not to cooperate with an investigation, which makes it much harder (and in some cases impossible) for a prosecution to proceed.

Re: Uber Fires Anthony Levandowski

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Link to formal termination letter: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/files/2017/0... The termination letter indicates that the termination is for cause and may have implications on stock awards and other compensation: "Under the Stock Award and other agreements, you are entitled to 20 days to cure the events that give rise to this termination for Cause. This letter constitutes the “prior written notice”…

IANAL but doesn't the letter's language ("that termination shall become effective 20 days from today") imply that he has 20 days to fix things, and that the termination is not a already done deal?

"Cause" has meaning here. His days working for Uber are likely done but if he choose to rectify the issues stated in the letter then he might be able to get the terminated for "Cause" removed in which case he likely has some parachute clauses and payouts which can come into effect.
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