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This definitely feels like a bubble. But if anyone is interested in investing in some potentially cool tokens and projects, I personally think the most interesting ones are: 1. Tezos (not part of ethereum ecosystem) 2. Golem (part of ethereum) 3. Litecoin (they are pioneering the lightning + SegWit protocol first, before BTC, the price could rise dramatically if it's a success) 4. Dogecoin (this one is just fun and h…

http://gizmodo.com/reddit-users-lose-real-money-after-meme-c...

> The dogetipbot website emphasized that the service was always free. Yet, somehow Mohland believed his creation could support a business model. He tried to get investors, but who would want to invest in dog meme tokens with no path to monetization?"

> “Very lies, such betrayal, WOW.”

> Now, Dogecoin will likely meet the fate of other altcoins, such as Titcoin, Auroracoin, or Namecoin. The greedy holders have no reason to ever divest, so the currency will be kept alive by the weird true believers in some godforsaken corner of the internet, where forgotten botnets and graphics cards mine blocks for the benefit of no one, until all the wallet passwords are finally forgotten. Though the currency began as a spoof of crypto culture, it was the same greed and delusional idiocy that has plagued more serious ventures like Bitcoin that struck the final blow.

Re: Thoughts on Tokens

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it's a power stuggle governments and central banks can't afford to lose. and it'll be a recurring scheme to rob those don't understand the stake. it's about who is/will be the monetary policy maker, governments/central banks, or the market controlled by speculators? what are the exact differences between gold and tokens?

Re: Thoughts on Tokens

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However, when considered as an alternative to classic equity financing, token sales yield a >100X increase in the available base of buyers and a >1000X improvement in the time to liquidity over traditional methods for startup finance. The three reasons why: a 30X increase in US buyers, a 20–25X increase in international buyers, and a 1000X improvement in time-to-liquidity.

these token sales are successful because people who buy into them are selling off their profits from buying Ethereum (from $0.88 in Jan '16 to $193 today >2000% return). Its a diversification play of course. Look how much the DAO raised a year ago.

Its ridiculous that the adults in the room like A16Z, USV, Balaji are falling into hypnosis.

ICO's coming out have no product, no users, just a white paper and a nice website, with an ERC20 contract address for deposits.

If you talk to anyone buying these tokens, they all say the same thing, that they're buying to flip the tokens on Poloniex for a quick buck.

A recent example is Gnosis, which raised $12.5M by selling 4.17% of their tokens at $30 each during the 1st auction round. They started trading at $60-100 a week after the sale and now are trading above $200.

Look at the charts of coins delisted by Poloniex. immediate 50%+ drop. The value of these tokens is their liquidity. Take that away and you won't see these valuations.

For traditional VC's, if companies let their shares float on exchanges, the SEC mandates financials. These tokens are designed around hopes and dreams. Most certainly a bubble but more so a game of musical chairs, make some money while the music is still playing.

Bitcoin at the end of the day grew in price from speculation BUT it had a real use, albeit in the black market. It has grown from that since 2013 but not by much.

P.S. Token sales don't even give up equity. These people are paying millions for API keys they can't yet use? I don't think so.

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post #7

This definitely feels like a bubble. But if anyone is interested in investing in some potentially cool tokens and projects, I personally think the most interesting ones are: 1. Tezos (not part of ethereum ecosystem) 2. Golem (part of ethereum) 3. Litecoin (they are pioneering the lightning + SegWit protocol first, before BTC, the price could rise dramatically if it's a success) 4. Dogecoin (this one is just fun and h…

Any thoughts on Augur/Gnosis? Those have a real use case in my opinion.

Augur had been in development for quite a while and it seems to be going pretty slowly. I bought some REP in the crowd sale (which has gone up in value, with the rising tide), have been following along on the subreddit, and I'm not sure it'll ever have any use.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are those just prediction markets or is there something else to them? I remember there was a site called TradeSports everyone was excited about in the early 2000s. It's problem was that there was very little liquidity for any bet other than presidential elections and the Super Bowl.

Why is low liquidity a problem? As long as there is someone betting for and someone against an outcome, a prediction market is successful, right?

I bet 50 cents to your dollar that the S&P 500 will be above 2,500 on Jan. 1, 2018. Would I have bet 51 cents if offered? 55 cents? 75 cents? Without a bunch of participants, we'll never know.

Markets with low liquidity are terrible at price discovery. Price in a prediction market is (if we believe in the concept) directly tied to how likely a prediction is to be true.

Re: Thoughts on Tokens

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This definitely feels like a bubble. But if anyone is interested in investing in some potentially cool tokens and projects, I personally think the most interesting ones are: 1. Tezos (not part of ethereum ecosystem) 2. Golem (part of ethereum) 3. Litecoin (they are pioneering the lightning + SegWit protocol first, before BTC, the price could rise dramatically if it's a success) 4. Dogecoin (this one is just fun and h…

More interesting ones are:

  - SiaCoin: Free market cloud storage
  - Lisk: Decentralized Javascript apps

Re: Thoughts on Tokens

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post #7

This definitely feels like a bubble. But if anyone is interested in investing in some potentially cool tokens and projects, I personally think the most interesting ones are: 1. Tezos (not part of ethereum ecosystem) 2. Golem (part of ethereum) 3. Litecoin (they are pioneering the lightning + SegWit protocol first, before BTC, the price could rise dramatically if it's a success) 4. Dogecoin (this one is just fun and h…

Any thoughts on Augur/Gnosis? Those have a real use case in my opinion.

Prediction market tokens seem to be really popular. I am sure they will rise in value with the rising tide, but I am not extremely interested in them personally. I am not sure they can deliver on the utopia-like vision they claim to be able to deliver. If I were to buy something right now, I would purchase tezos, ether, and 1-2 of my favorite ether contract tokens. I am very weary though that this is a big bubble.

Re: Thoughts on Tokens

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post #11

This definitely feels like a bubble. But if anyone is interested in investing in some potentially cool tokens and projects, I personally think the most interesting ones are: 1. Tezos (not part of ethereum ecosystem) 2. Golem (part of ethereum) 3. Litecoin (they are pioneering the lightning + SegWit protocol first, before BTC, the price could rise dramatically if it's a success) 4. Dogecoin (this one is just fun and h…

http://gizmodo.com/reddit-users-lose-real-money-after-meme-c... > The dogetipbot website emphasized that the service was always free. Yet, somehow Mohland believed his creation could support a business model. He tried to get investors, but who would want to invest in dog meme tokens with no path to monetization?" > “Very lies, such betrayal, WOW.” > Now, Dogecoin will likely meet the fate of other altcoins, such as T…

Bad article. Turns out they raised several hundred K USD, and were hoping to run a tip/donation system for streamers and others that worry about being attacked, chargebacks, etc. It's not as stupid as the article makes it out. Though running off with user funds just adds the cryptocoin spin to it.
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