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Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by cpeterso »

xg15 wrote: post #25

> Firefox for work, Chrome for play If the Marketing head for Firefox opens like this, I'm honestly not optimistic. So even he states that for some reason, using Firefox alone is not sufficient for him. I think unless they find out the reasons for that, they have little chance to become meaningful competition again - even though we really need it. Slightly OT, that being said, my feeling is that Chrome played on an u…

> he states that for some reason, using Firefox alone is not sufficient for him. I think unless they find out the reasons for that, they have little chance to become meaningful competition again

Competitive analysis and compatibility testing. It's important for Firefox engineers and product people to understand, firsthand, what other browser vendors are doing.

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by krzyk »

scandox wrote: post #20

Why did I move from Netscape to IE? Speed. Why did I move from IE to Firefox? Speed. Why did I move from Firefox to Chrome? Speed. Why did I move from Chrome to Firefox? Negative feelings about Google. So for myself the only things that work, hand on heart, are Speed or Repulsion. You can't really sell repulsion. Therefore, I think their only hope is Speed. Admittedly I may be a crap example.

For me, switch from IE to Firefox was "Negative feelings about Microsoft". I think that there are more others like me, so repulsion does work.

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by dblohm7 »

JD557 wrote: post #21
Certhas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox as my primary browser. Do you have another example outside of google docs that behaves that way? The difference for google docs on my machine (three year old Laptop) isn't as big as the one you describe and on ownclouds I don't actually see a difference. Obviously google targets Chrome with Docs. You could equally well say that Google needs to up their game there. Where they really have catching up to d…

I do have another example: Marathon UI. If you access the marathon UI in Firefox, your browser will eventually slow down to a crawl and the job JSON description will be rendered incorrectly (it seems like a memory leak somewhere). It works fine on Chrome.

It might be worth reporting this on webcompat.com

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by webwanderings »

hoschicz wrote: post #69
webwanderings wrote: post #51

> Chrome wants you to only use Chrome. This is no different than saying Microsoft only wants you to use Hotmail. Firefox did not build Gmail, nor does it have any serious interconnected bookmarks manager. Why would I use Firefox when Gmail does not render well on it and there is no way for me to seamlessly carry bookmarks, history and everything else which is part of daily browser activity? Sure, I use Firefox for wo…

> there is no way for me to seamlessly carry bookmarks, history and everything else There is, Firefox Sync. It works pretty well and doesn't use your history to target ads. You can sync bookmarks, open tabs, history, password, add-ons, preferences. When you sign up on a new device, FF also remembers your settings of what you want to sync. Chrome, by default, syncs everything, including history, and uses it to target…

> There is, Firefox Sync.

You didn't follow the real problem. Firefox Sync only wants you to use Firefox Sync. Your data is not liberated to be used where you want it to be used.

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by dblohm7 »

nindalf wrote: post #55
PeterStuer wrote: post #5

Firefox is still set as my default browser, but it feels like every month more and more sites just seem to QA only on Chrome :(.

I see this a lot too, but I figure continuing to use Firefox and complaining when I see broken websites is a good way forward. Far better than slipping into a browser monoculture.

Report those broken websites to webcompat.com

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by cpeterso »

guilhas wrote: post #23

Using Firefox with disk.cache disabled

Is the Firefox disk cache particularly slow on your computer?

Mozilla is developing a new feature called "Racing Cache With Network" (RCWN). Based on feedback from Facebook and user telemetry, it was discovered that the disk cache was very slow for some users, especially with non-SSD hard disks. With RCWN, if the disk cache doesn't return a cached result quickly enough, Firefox will issue a network request and just return whichever content returns first. Firefox will still check the cache first, but can avoid the extreme outlier cases.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=RCWN

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by joecool1029 »

wodenokoto wrote: post #80
joecool1029 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“It’s clear that Brendan cannot lead Mozilla in this setting, [...] The ability to lead — particularly for the CEO — is fundamental to the role and that is not possible here.” Mitchell Baker, Mozilla Executive Chairwoman EDIT: The parent said there was no evidence, here is evidence that the board already made its mind up, whether you like it or not is of no consequence. It's still evidence of that bias.

He resigned. That Baker parrots Eichs own explanation for resigning does not make it so that she fired him. Neither Eich nor the rest of Mozilla could figure out how to handle the huge media backlash, so they simply decided to give up. Mozilla has a history of being very weak against media onslaughts.

>He resigned.

So did Nixon when it was clear he was going to be removed from office anyway.

>That Baker parrots Eichs own explanation for resigning does not make it so that she fired him.

Are you honestly going to tell me that he would not have been removed by a board that makes statements like the above?

Here's a better thing to say: 'no comment'

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by xg15 »

SEMW wrote: post #22
xg15 wrote: post #15

> It’s faster, lags less, hogs much less memory than chrome, and in June we’ll release multi-process Firefox, putting us at performance parity with Chrome in most of the ways we mere humans can actually perceive. I'm rooting for them but I really​ hope they get this done quickly. On Firefox, I often have ~.5 second UI freezes throughout the use which lead to an impression of sluggishness. Chrome, with the same number…

> I really​ hope they get this done quickly You don't have to wait for them to enable it for everyone. Enable it yourself by setting browser.tabs.remote.autostart to true in about:config (on ff48-53 this'll use one one process for ui and one for all tabs, I believe on 54+ it'll use more). (As long as you don't have any addons that don't support it, anyway -- after enabling it, check in about:support under "Multiproce…

Thanks much for the info! I'll give it a try.

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by anonu »

> [Chrome] is an eight-lane highway to the largest advertising company in the world. Google built it to maximize revenue from your searches and deliver display ads on millions of websites.

Can someone please explain this statement to me. Does using chrome change which ads are displayed to you? Does Firefox do anything differently?

Personally I use ad blockers so my choice of browser is really based on which blocker plugin is easiest to install. Chrome does this pretty well...

Re: Browse Against the Machine

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Post by RRRA »

Firefox needs multiprocessor asap and a great sandbox... after that, yeah, fuck Chrome (except for those site who can't code against a standard, for what they're worth)
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