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Ask HN: Ex-Founder. Should I take lowball buyout offer?

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Re: Ask HN: Ex-Founder. Should I take lowball buyout offer?

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[EDIT] I suggest looking at your situation from this perspective: $100,000 is a lot of money and can last you and your family over a year in certain places.

You might try Upwork for freelance work. Start charging low for small projects to guarantee some immediate income. Create a reputation in the site to charge more while continuously creating your own network so you can soon enough get out from Upwork and start earning fair money from freelance projects you find for yourself. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Founder. Should I take lowball buyout offer?

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Absolutely NOT. The least your shares are worth based on the lowest valuation at which they are raising is $500,000. Why take a freaking 80% discount.

Keep your shares and consult with a lawyer who can ensure you are protected further down the line. PLEASE DO THIS.

I will guarantee 100% that the type of people that offer you 20 cents on the dollar (as a founder) are the type of people that will screw you. 100%.

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Founder. Should I take lowball buyout offer?

#34

I would work out the difference between the salary at say Google vs what you took during your tenure at the startup then double it because of lack of upside. Aside: If the co-founder is an HN reader, then they probably know the throwaway account is you. That is going to skew this negotiation.

Might also be the other party testing the waters.

edit: of course, parent's comment regarding the other party is still sound and valid :).

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Founder. Should I take lowball buyout offer?

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post #33

[EDIT] I suggest looking at your situation from this perspective: $100,000 is a lot of money and can last you and your family over a year in certain places.

This is bad advice.

My advice was to have perspective that things could be worse. To have that perspective is never bad advice. ;)

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Founder. Should I take lowball buyout offer?

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No reason to do this - you have the shares and the CEO wants to buy you out. Remember - the CEO wants to buy you out for a reason, and I guarantee you the investors want you bought out. Don't underestimate how much leverage "them wanting you bought out" is. It may even be a stipulation of the funding round.

Do the investors even know about the conversation? People paying good money for shares will jump at the chance to buy them cheaper. A CEO closing an investment round may have very different incentives, like not frightening the horses. [edit, clarity]

It would be a bad sign if the investors weren't asking who the ex-employee with 5% of the cap table was!

Re: Ask HN: Ex-Founder. Should I take lowball buyout offer?

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get the last 409A valuation. That's the price the shares should trade at and in fact will create problems for the company if they do not. If the CEO offered the last 409A valuation as a price, then there's little you can do if you're inclined to take an offer because the 409A is the "fair market value" of the common stock. Usually the 409A is a huge discount, like 60-80% less at the stage you've implied the company i…

Also, missing in this discussion is that the board likely has to ratify any change in ownership and the board (led by the CEO) has tremendous ability to just say no and/or dictate who and at what price can buy. All this discussion of the what the fair value of the shares might be to outside investors is somewhat irrelevant in that situation.

Yes but it can actually cause problems if the board approves a lower price than the 409a valuation. He has some leverage in that respect, especially if his sale of shares can be worked into the funding round.
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