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Otherwise I'd use Firefox everywhere.
EDIT: numbers on 2013 11-inch Macbook Air
Firefox 3-10% vs. Safari 0.2-2% when idling
Firefox 10-40% vs. Safari 5-10% when scrolling HN
...meanwhile we still can't use "pinch to zoom" (trackpad) in Firefox, which is available in Safari and Chrome for like 5 years now. Such a basic feature! It's the main reason i personally stopped using Firefox.
http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2011032210281240...
I assume you're on a mac since you mention Safari? I don't have a mac. Please give it a try with the latest nightly. It should loom something like https://i.imgur.com/2EgjCIO.png
The article says this feature depends on support from your hardware.
Of course, in the typical Mozilla fashion there is a six year old bug that seems related https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632733
I don't know what to say. Sigh.
I know lot of people here say that Chrome is much faster than Firefox. I agree that sometimes chrome feels more responsive, but I want to tell my perspective from someone who owns a very old and slow laptop. Whenever I just start Chrome, it seems superfast until 5 minutes. Just open 5 tabs and some other programs like Terminal and Clementine, my whole system just hangs. So I can't even use Chrome because of the memor…
Well, using Google docs/sheets the difference is really big. I understand that Chrome should be heavily optimised to use other Google products like Google Sheets, but in the end, as a user it really makes a diference. On a Macbook Pro from 2015, entering a simple Google Sheets documents and have the page fully loaded and ready to work takes me ~8 seconds on Chromium, but ~17 seconds on Firefox. It's really a huge dif…
The difference for google docs on my machine (three year old Laptop) isn't as big as the one you describe and on ownclouds I don't actually see a difference. Obviously google targets Chrome with Docs. You could equally well say that Google needs to up their game there.
Where they really have catching up to do is with battery usage. Unfortunately Friefox Mobile simply uses up considerably more battery for me.
The only issue with Chrome I have been having lately, despite not remembering the error message, is I often can't type search terms on the url field and then get search results from Google. I get an error message with a dinosaur telling me something broke. I tried deleting profiles and even reinstall Chrome, but no. I can reproduce this problem on two Macbooks I own, which makes my experience with Chrome now pretty bad considering I can't search directly from URL bar!
Also, while Firefox's devtool has improved a lot over the years, I can't seem to find certain features. For example, it's pretty simple to preserve logs under Network tab in Chrome, but where is it in Firefox? But to be fair, I also use Firefox devtools in cases I can't easily from Chrome like editing request in Firefox is simpler IMO. So it's a bit of pick and choose, depending on what I need to do.
I love Firefox (I interned at Mozilla before), I've done some contributions to Firefox, and I think the folks there have been doing a great job. But my honest opinion is we still have some serious battle to fight, especially in performance and plugin. I don't care much about syncing bookmarks myself though so Chrome's integration with Google account doesn't matter to me.
I'm rooting for them but I really hope they get this done quickly. On Firefox, I often have ~.5 second UI freezes throughout the use which lead to an impression of sluggishness. Chrome, with the same number of tabs and equivalent extensions doesn't have this. By all means, Mozilla, use tricks if needed - keep stuff loaded in the background, defer script execution, prefetch DNS etc - but perceived responsiveness is really important. Freezing UI of all things is the worst that could happen.
Despite this, I'll stay on Firefox and look forward for the future.
...meanwhile we still can't use "pinch to zoom" (trackpad) in Firefox, which is available in Safari and Chrome for like 5 years now. Such a basic feature! It's the main reason i personally stopped using Firefox.
As a programmer, I really dislike remarks like this. There are so, so many features that are just as basic as that. All software will have features of this caliber that are not implemented, disregarding the thousands upon thousands of equivalently "basic" features that are.
I know lot of people here say that Chrome is much faster than Firefox. I agree that sometimes chrome feels more responsive, but I want to tell my perspective from someone who owns a very old and slow laptop. Whenever I just start Chrome, it seems superfast until 5 minutes. Just open 5 tabs and some other programs like Terminal and Clementine, my whole system just hangs. So I can't even use Chrome because of the memor…
On a historical note, I remember that ten years ago Firefox's memory usage was a topic that generated a lot of heat online. I described my issues in detail once and got flamed by Firefox fanboys saying "you must be lying, because the memory leak was fixed two years ago," and those fanboys got flamed by a wave of truer fanboys saying "stop saying 'memory leak,' because it wasn't technically a memory leak, you're libeling the developers." I can't think of a piece of open source software that has such a rabid following these days, or maybe I'm just too old these days to hang out in such rough internet neighborhoods.
> I head up Firefox marketing, but I use Chrome every day. This is one thing to use it privately, this is another to say it publicly. I think he should be fired. Not even considering the other contradictions of this article. I think he has no idea how to lead Firefox marketing.
...meanwhile we still can't use "pinch to zoom" (trackpad) in Firefox, which is available in Safari and Chrome for like 5 years now. Such a basic feature! It's the main reason i personally stopped using Firefox.
> Such a basic feature! As a programmer, I really dislike remarks like this. There are so, so many features that are just as basic as that. All software will have features of this caliber that are not implemented, disregarding the thousands upon thousands of equivalently "basic" features that are.
Remember how people got in arms because Mozilla Firefox had some preference that allowed people to disable loading images and javascript whole scale across the browser? Well, I imagine Mozilla wouldn't be too excited to see blog posts like this: https://blog.codinghorror.com/this-is-what-happens-when-you-...
So what do we get? We get bugs that sit in Bugzilla for five years and nobody wants to do anything about it.
* I am not a Mozilla employee and I can't speak for Mozilla
Why did I move from IE to Firefox? Speed.
Why did I move from Firefox to Chrome? Speed.
Why did I move from Chrome to Firefox? Negative feelings about Google.
So for myself the only things that work, hand on heart, are Speed or Repulsion. You can't really sell repulsion. Therefore, I think their only hope is Speed.
Admittedly I may be a crap example.
