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Re: View Counting at Reddit

#21
post #8

Slightly OT; but I wish reddit would use traditional forum style replies to push threads up, instead of the positive feedback loop of votes with opinions that agree with majority getting upvotes giving views which give proportionally more upvotes

It might be conceivable on smaller subreddits, but on the big ones it would basically just drown everything into a sea of low-quality threads. I got the feeling that the vast majority of threads never ever make it to the "front page" of their subreddit.

> but on the big ones it would basically just drown everything into a sea of low-quality threads

The big subreddits' comment sections is largely low quality anyway.

Traditional forums have their downsides (anyone remember super nested quote trains?), but I still find them superior to upvote + nested replies.

The best forum UI for me, though, are imageboards. Too bad they are associated with a less than popular community.

Re: View Counting at Reddit

#22
post #11

Slightly OT; but I wish reddit would use traditional forum style replies to push threads up, instead of the positive feedback loop of votes with opinions that agree with majority getting upvotes giving views which give proportionally more upvotes

Traditional forum style sorting just sorts for controversiality. Posts that generate heated discussion will continue to push their way to the top. This is okay but it means that non controversial stories will not make it to the top, which is honestly one of the largest benefits of news aggregator sites.

How about, here and on reddit, being able to mark threads you're interested in, and having a page where you can see those sorted by last reply. On HN, make that page refresh every 15 or 60 minutes or whatever. Heck, once every 24 hours would be enough... sometimes I just want to talk about the things that interest me, with the people that are interested in them. I would love to be able to think on something for a few days, or to familiarize myself with a subject before mouthing off.

As they are now, reddit and HN are require you to be there when something is "current", and that's ultimately not that much better than TV. Yeah, sometimes you can get something out of it, but it's nowhere near as useful or deep. Even worse, there is a tendency to get semi- or unrelated stuff one out when something slightly similar is discussed, instead of putting things exactly where they "belong", where they add to a useful corpus. [which is exactly what I'm doing right now, and am doing too often.. but I honestly would prefer the alternative which doesn't exist yet]

Just think about it, we have practically infinite storage, there's certainly plenty of expertise in reach of HN -- yet discussions get constantly restrained because our attention is limited. But it's limited because all we get are these flat lists, X items per page, next to no means to curate or organize anything. Imagine how much worse it would be without people who sometimes link to old but very relevant and insightful stories or individual comments. I'm very grateful to them, but to take them for granted, to rely on them for "structure" is totally stone age to me. Give us tools, give us transparency, let us figure out things even if they might be hard - stop trying to hand hold people you might underestimate! We don't need you as much as you need us.

Re: View Counting at Reddit

#23

Given how much simpler it is to count total views than unique user views, why is it more valuable to count unique user views?

Because it's more valuable of a data point to those who care about overall audience and reach. Someone visiting repeatedly might be evidence of an engaged user, but things like ads would have diminishing returns.

Re: View Counting at Reddit

#24

Not applied to /r/the_donald however.

Are you talking about the "impressions"/subscribers incident? Because that was a mislabeled field that affected almost every other sub more than T_d. https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/62naj4/can_someone_ex... https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/62nw33/rthe...

There are simply too many incidents to name. They keep changing the algorithm to suppress the subreddit, sometimes failing in an epic fashion, like that time when r/all was showing only T_D posts for an hour.

Re: View Counting at Reddit

#26
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Weird thing I have been seeing on Reddit is comment upvotes being off-by-one periodically on page refreshes. Reload, you get 3. Reload again, you get 4. Reload, you get 3. Seems like a replication issue? This is done on purpose [1], to prevent bots from calculating exact post/comment scores. 1. https://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_how_is_a_comment.27s_sc...

I still don't understand what purpose this feature has - can you explain more?

A votebot suspects that it is being detected and filtered out of the final scores. Because the scores fluctuate, it is harder to determine if your vote had an impact.

Re: View Counting at Reddit

#27
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't understand what purpose this feature has - can you explain more?

A votebot suspects that it is being detected and filtered out of the final scores. Because the scores fluctuate, it is harder to determine if your vote had an impact.

But that doesn't "prevent spambots etc.", that merely prevents people from easily and instantly figuring out whether their bots are detected yet. It doesn't stop them from spamming votes, or from making their bots more elaborate regardless of whether they have been detected yet. I don't know all the motivations for spam bots or how people who make them tick, but I'd figure for a significant number the crucial bit is having an impact, not measuring it. Most spam is fire and forget, after all.

Re: View Counting at Reddit

#29
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Weird thing I have been seeing on Reddit is comment upvotes being off-by-one periodically on page refreshes. Reload, you get 3. Reload again, you get 4. Reload, you get 3. Seems like a replication issue? This is done on purpose [1], to prevent bots from calculating exact post/comment scores. 1. https://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_how_is_a_comment.27s_sc...

I still don't understand what purpose this feature has - can you explain more?

You could have you bot upvote, then remove its vote, and monitor from another browser whether the score changes. Having the number be fuzzed makes it harder to confirm if your bot has been caught and it's votes discarded.
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