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Great to see they are making headway. Wonder about the long term sustainability though, as more and more software such as GNOME3 DE lists it as a dependency
There's also Linux life without Gnome. I hope this means more people will try out alternative window managers.
The website needs some work. I could gather they were a fork of Debian, but I couldn't find the benefits. I had to come to the HN comments to learn about the systemd controversy. Less important, the mobile experience was not good on Android Chrome. When scrolling, the logo visibility toggles and the page content jumps.
at the very bottom of the page it addresses it: > Devuan is about choice. We think people should be able > to choose whether to use a GNU+Linux system with or > without systemd. > Devuan decided to fork not only the base distribution, > but also its governance, because Debian has made it > difficult to avoid systemd as init, entangling the system > with unnecessary dependencies and did so despite... but you're right…
Some things that need work: - The logo. Logos are very affordable. I would consider revisiting this logo, buying a new one or organizing a contest. Believe it or not, many people use t-shirts with the Debian logo and I assume that's some source of revenue stream. I do not see myself wearing a Devuan t-shirt with this logo. Right not it looks like a logo for a UFO cult or some cheap Internet cafe. - The information on…
Any recommendation on logo designers?
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Systemd is a lot more than just init. It also manages user auth, udev, time, syslog, and a few other things.
That is the main complaint.
It's likely that I missed it, but I can't find anywhere that talks about how many packages deviate from Debian. I love what they are offering but I also want to make sure that the ease of use I get with Debian continues with Devuan. Can we assume that any packages that are not Gnome related from the Debian repos are in the Devuan repos?
For example, libvirt[1] produces 9 packages consisting of: libvirt-bin, libvirt-clients, libvirt-daemon, libvirt-daemon-system, libvirt0, libvirt0-dbg, libvirt-doc, libvirt-dev, libvirt-sanlock.
The video is rather interesting for learning about how the project came about and how it works in general.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo
[1]: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/libvirt/blob/master/d...
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For most users, it wouldn't matter anyway, and I'd argue that that's true even for a lot of the sysadmins. But the argument had a few layers more. Quite a few people agreed that the current init system wasn't exactly the bee's knees, but disagreed on what to use to replace it (systemd, upstart, heck, even Apple's launchd). There was a rather vocal group that didn't actually care that much about the specific implement…
As a dev/sysadmin, systemd is barely noticeable when you think if it as an init system. When you look at the cool tricks it can do, it's more like its part of the OS than something living on top of it, providing services you'd expect a kernel to provide (albeit not a very Unix-like one, which is what makes people so mad about it). It's a large and complex beast, doing a lot of different things that make sense in a mo…
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There's also Linux life without Gnome. I hope this means more people will try out alternative window managers.
Could always use the Window manager that is included in the X-Server source code package: TWM. It's dependencies is basically the X-server.
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For most users, it wouldn't matter anyway, and I'd argue that that's true even for a lot of the sysadmins. But the argument had a few layers more. Quite a few people agreed that the current init system wasn't exactly the bee's knees, but disagreed on what to use to replace it (systemd, upstart, heck, even Apple's launchd). There was a rather vocal group that didn't actually care that much about the specific implement…
As a dev/sysadmin, systemd is barely noticeable when you think if it as an init system. When you look at the cool tricks it can do, it's more like its part of the OS than something living on top of it, providing services you'd expect a kernel to provide (albeit not a very Unix-like one, which is what makes people so mad about it). It's a large and complex beast, doing a lot of different things that make sense in a mo…
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As a dev/sysadmin, systemd is barely noticeable when you think if it as an init system. When you look at the cool tricks it can do, it's more like its part of the OS than something living on top of it, providing services you'd expect a kernel to provide (albeit not a very Unix-like one, which is what makes people so mad about it). It's a large and complex beast, doing a lot of different things that make sense in a mo…
Ask my users if Apache failing to start on openSuSE because of systemd and lack of ServerName resolution is "barely noticeable".