Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington • Hacker News Board

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by mattalbie » Sat, May 27, 2017, 3:44 AM UTC

contingencies wrote: post #69

mattalbie wrote: post #59

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It's more of a practical concern. Our diplomats and their details operate in places like Turkey every day and we want those governments to grant us lots of leeway when dealing with the local population. That being said, this is a spectacular display of diplomatic idiocy.

This comment is pretty fascist. The notion that it's OK to run around assaulting peaceful protesters because that gives you the scope to similarly ignore human rights elsewhere, and the phrasing "deal with" ... really don't sit well with me. A lot of what is wrong with the world rests on this kind of thinking.

I never said it was ok to treat people like that, or that I agree with that line of thinking at all. Describing something fascist doesn't make me fascist. Just that I suspect that is the calculation that goes on when a person decides to overlook this kind thing (which would normally be dealt with as a criminal action). Also tried to point out that there are countless stories of American diplomats and security teams behaving badly.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by pyre » Sat, May 27, 2017, 3:47 AM UTC

krapp wrote: post #66

gech wrote: post #62

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Wars were started over less. Maybe a little more patriotism is called for nowadays

>Wars were started over less. We're still dealing with the consequences of a war we started for apparently no reason other than than wanting to do it. Maybe we should raise the bar for going to war, and not keep lowering it.

Yes, but right now the actions being taking in response are substantially less than going to war.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by wavefunction » Sat, May 27, 2017, 3:47 AM UTC

I'm waiting for Mr. Erdogan's next visit to the United States.

I plan to travel to D.C. then and stand in solidarity with anyone who wants to express their freedom of speech within the borders of the US.

Mr. Erdogan and his thuggish retinue insulted the very nature of his hosts, who have been far too gracious to some very undeserving guests.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by gefh » Sat, May 27, 2017, 3:49 AM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #55

I hate to be that guy, but what's going on with that website? On my iPhone It scroll beyond the title. It keeps jumping back to the top immediately.

Same on mobile chrome, in mobile or desktop mode. Very frustrating.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by zepto » Sat, May 27, 2017, 3:57 AM UTC

alasdair_ wrote: post #76

logicallee wrote: post #61

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>It's not a free license to commit any crimes they want. That's exactly what it is. The hosting country can ONLY just tell them they are "persona non grata". (Expel them.) Of course, they may face charges in their home country or be extradited. Their home country can waive their diplomatic immunity - and do so for their diplomats acting criminally in other countries. But 100% of all of these actions are on the home c…

>But 100% of all of these actions are on the home country. The host country can do absolutely nothing besides expel them or complain to their home country. The host country can do anything they want. Whether or not it will cause further problems is based on the balance of power between various nations. As an obviously ridiculous example: imagine Osama bin Laden showed up in NYC with diplomatic immunity. There is zero…

Were he still alive, it's likely that he would not be arrested. More likely he'd be shot while resisting arrest.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by tehlike » Sat, May 27, 2017, 4:22 AM UTC

evan_ wrote: post #73

draw_down wrote: post #48

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Mmm, I think one of them is less of a wannabe than the other. At least so far.

One is just earlier in his career

i don't think trump will be a dictator. it doesn't look like he has that intention - his steps are not cohesive, and not deeply rooted to assert his absolute authority.

not to mention the us has better foundation of democracy.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by kahirsch » Sat, May 27, 2017, 4:28 AM UTC

alasdair_ wrote: post #76

logicallee wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's not a free license to commit any crimes they want. That's exactly what it is. The hosting country can ONLY just tell them they are "persona non grata". (Expel them.) Of course, they may face charges in their home country or be extradited. Their home country can waive their diplomatic immunity - and do so for their diplomats acting criminally in other countries. But 100% of all of these actions are on the home c…

>But 100% of all of these actions are on the home country. The host country can do absolutely nothing besides expel them or complain to their home country. The host country can do anything they want. Whether or not it will cause further problems is based on the balance of power between various nations. As an obviously ridiculous example: imagine Osama bin Laden showed up in NYC with diplomatic immunity. There is zero…

Diplomatic immunity has to be granted by the host country prior to entry. The United States would not grant it to bin Laden.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by res0nat0r » Sat, May 27, 2017, 4:29 AM UTC

Keyframe wrote: post #19

Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?

What gives? Trump is president. He doesn't care because he has investments in Turkey and invited Erdogan to the White House. Welcome to the current state of affairs in the USA.

Also feel free to body slam any reporter you don't like asking you annoying questions about healthcare either, you won't face any repercussions from the GOP.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by arca_vorago » Sat, May 27, 2017, 4:35 AM UTC

I immediately called for two things. The NRA to organize an armed protest, and to persona-non-grata all attackers not American citizens, and to arrest those that are and don't have DI (diplomatic immunity).

What happened is the Turks are thugs, and when they heard/saw pro PKK "protestors" they consider "terrorists" they wanted to make an example of them. I'm guessing it was also a distraction technique for Erdogan to proceed to wherever he was headed.

What is most shameful to me, is the response from the DC police. If armed foreign thugs are attacking americans, It's time to escalate force. They were straight up sucker-kicking/punching women and old men already on the ground... shots that could have killed or could cause concussion or brain damage.

What no one is talking about is how deeply Turkey has infiltrated the US intel community (lookup Sibel Edmonds for more info), or the fact they we let Turkey get away with this stuff because of geostrategic realpolitik. Turkey is also funding and arming ISIS against the Kurds because to them the Kurds are a greater threat.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by wnevets » Sat, May 27, 2017, 4:40 AM UTC

santaclaus wrote: post #29

> He repeatedly kicked Ms. Usoyan, 34, as she lay on the ground. According to New Jersey records, Mr. Yildirim is 50 and manages three companies in that state. Mr. Yildrim does not appear to have diplomatic immunity, so why aren't assault and battery charges being levied against him?

because they're buddies with trump